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Re: VSM application list Simon Sinek doesn’t mention the VSM, but I found this talk reminiscent of it.

http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html

John
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On 2010/12/22 2:07 PM, "M.J.R. van de Wijnckel" <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Are you inviting us to a party??? J

I always seem to have some problems answering the question you ask.
 
Because a “full application” of VSM is mostly the creation of a framework that a practitioner uses in work.
Luc’s “Making Work Systems Better” is an obvious example for me in that respect.
 
But this kind of framework is generic, with all kinds of experiences from the practitioner woven throughout the framework, for the reader to make sense of it in his own practice.
 
But on the other hand, my practitioners heart is saying that it might be useful to see a syntegration as an application of VSM.
So, what kind of examples do we have to show the results that were achieved after a syntegration?
 
Why are you asking? What do you want to achieve with presenting these applications?

 

Mike.
 

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I need a list of as many applications of the VSM as possible. Attribution will be made.



Stefan

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On 22 Dec 2010, at 09:12, Roger Harnden <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I am not sure he still has the house in Lincoln. He was returning to live in Holland when I last talked with him. I have passed his numbers to Nick.



A great intellectual and wonderful dry humour.





Roger

On 22 Dec 2010, at 07:43, Harold van Garderen wrote:



Nick,

Just found the information below here http://itsy.co.uk/archive/sisn/Member/Gerard.htm:

Gerard de Zeeuw
Steep Hill 11, Lincoln LN2 1LT
United Kingdom
Tel.: 01522-546711
Fax: 01522-536146 (usually not on)
Prins Hendrikkade 86F
1012AE Amsterdam, Holland
Tel.: 020-6278072
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Hope this helps. Please try the telephone number first to check.

The adress  Prins Hendrikkade 86F is here http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Prins+Hendrikkade+86F,+amsterdam&sll=51.741179,5.856451&sspn=0.009341,0.021544&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Prins+Hendrikkade+86F,+De+Wallen,+Amsterdam,+Noord-Holland,+The+Netherlands&ll=52.376693,4.901791&spn=0.000576,0.001346&t=h&z=20

2010/12/21 Roger Harnden <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>

Yes, they were close, and Gerard was very fond of Gordon and sponsored him in various ways.



Incidentally, Gerard is an amazingly erudite guy especially on the history of ideas and the history of science.



As you say, Vladimir, their cooperation was primarily centred on and andragology - as described in the paper. I imagine Mike knows of this connection, but perhaps I'm wrong.



Roger



On 21 Dec 2010, at 11:16, Vladimir wrote:



Mike, Thanks!
You might heard about Gerard de Zeeuw and his collaboration with Gordon Pask in a context of androgological research project OOC which was an analog for your Whitespace?
He is from Netherlands too. One can read about this in "Conversation and Support" article from Pangaro.com <http://Pangaro.com> .

Vladimir

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