I'm on the road at the moment and only just seen this thread.

The important aspect I want to add is that the butterfly metaphor is only valid is closely coupled systems and I've never bought it in chaos theory used by many even though I understand it well.

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On 12 Jan 2011, at 12:27, russell_c <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Well I'm sorry to ring your bell fellas!

But I am reminded of something that starts with Pavlovian and either ends with 'dog' or 'cake' reinforcement?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlov%27s_dog)

http://marktanner.com/recipes/pavalova.htm

Net effect: I am going to feel guilty posting now that I know it will disturb butterflies and minds in UK and Russia(?).

Russell
(Wring it B4 it wrings U!)



On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Roger Harnden <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Vladimir - no problem.........

I too get a loud 'beep' but luckily not on my phone.

But on a serious note, Vladimir, as I wrote below, and as you and I discussed briefly at Scarborough, there is a serious point here, and until the conventions get establish, it is a tricky one to get right.

That is where Mike is trying to edge towards with Pangaro's notion of the Paskian 'shared  white space'. 

Given your presence as 'young gadget nerd' (no disrespect intended), contribution along this trajectory would be valuable.

Best wishes, Roger

PS 

How is Alexander?


On 12 Jan 2011, at 11:53, Vladimir wrote:

"Colors" of my language corresponds to a situation when I bounce on a spot every time when my telephone ring because of a post. My be I should put some filters across a signal...

Vladimir

12.01.2011 14:00 пользователь "Roger Harnden" <[log in to unmask]> написал:
> Well, Russell,
>
> I suppose Vladimir has a point here, though his language is fairly
> colourful!
>
> We do tend to raise topics of personal interest, assuming that the
> forum itself is constituted by like-minded people, and that they will
> be interested in what we are interested in. I'm as guilty as anyone.
>
> Maybe the unwritten rule is that when we do so, we attempt to render
> our observation in discourse relevant to the forum itself. So, for
> instance (this is a personal reflection, not on the one hand a
> criticism of others; or on the other, a proposal for a specific
> action): I would be fascinated to see how this 'discovery' might fit
> into Erich Jantsch's thesis as to the self-organizing universe
> (incorporating as he does, findings from systems thinking, non-
> equilibrium thermodynamics, complexiity sciences and chaos theory,
> second order cybernetics etc.).
>
> On the other hand, on recently glancing and browsing a couple of other
> fora, I think the self-imposed discipline of 'keeping to he point' can
> often be carried too far, and take us an unnecessary distance from a
> Paskian conversational domain, and too far toward some sort of
> impersonal lists of statements, without even personal linkages.
>
> Just some thoughts..........
>
>
> Roger
>

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