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Frank,

On Mar 31, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Frank Wood wrote:

> Dear Trevor,
> Interesting.
>
> However master power political players will soon find a way to make  
> sure they get a nice fat share of the goodies!
>
> And that's the problem. People go starry eyed over cybernetics,  
> VSMs, Law of Requisite of Variety but these add up to nothing if you  
> don't factor in the power politics especially in larger organsiations.
>
> Also the application is very limited - if it could work it could  
> only work with project teams and not companies as a whole.
>
> It would have been nice if they had mentioned somewhere on their  
> page facts and figures to back up their claims that it is fair.
>
> Once again this is a good example of people's touching faith in the  
> goodness of human nature! I remember seeing a documentary about an  
> advertising agency who decided to bring in democracy into the  
> workplace. It was sadly hilarious to watch the company nearly go  
> under as it descended into chaos.
>
> So here's a scenario to ponder. I'm working in a company that has  
> the Rewarder Bonus Scheme in use. And as all of us are human we are  
> all subscribers to that well known radio station WIIFM (What's In It  
> For Me). I have the dosh and I look around at my colleagues. Who to  
> give it to? Well obviously those that have been helpful to me or  
> those that could be helpful to me. Am I going to give it to an  
> unsung hero that is or will or has not been of any help to me?  
> Unlikely. Right that's part  1 of the scenario.
>
> Part 2 is where I then start to wonder how I am going to get my  
> bonus regardless of whether I deserve it or not. So I target likely  
> donors who might benefit from my help or networking abilities. Again  
> I'm not likely to help those that are unlikely to give me a bonus  
> (because I've been unwilling or unable to help them).
>
> You can see the mess beginning to emerge :-)
>
> Another reservation. How would you feel if you got a low bonus or no  
> bonus at all? There's gonna be losers in this as well and I doubt if  
> all or maybe even most of them will be deserved losers. Can you  
> imagine the devastating loss of morale that could emerge?
>
> So what to put in its place?
>
> I used to work for a company where everyone got a bonus. A pot of  
> money was set aside twice a year from the profits. You got 1 point  
> per 1,000 salary and 1 point for every year of service you had  
> there. Yes, the problem of "golden" handcuffs was present but at the  
> same time it worked well and whilst the usual office politics were  
> in operation the line between profits and the effectiveness of your  
> work was there to see.
>
> The beauty of this bonus system is that it is totally independent of  
> any sort of interference apart from the usual ones eg annual salary  
> negotiations.
>
> The cybernetics of the Rewarder Bonus Scheme may be interesting but  
> what would be more interesting would to be to see how the bad old  
> laws of group dynamics kicks in.
>
> Regards
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> On 31 Mar 2010, at 11:52, Trevor E Hilder wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The cybernetics of this are interesting!
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>>  Trevor                            [log in to unmask]
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