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Dear Alfredo,

That does seem to make sense of what the book says!

On 22 Mar 2010, at 12:09, Alfredo Moscardini wrote:


Dear Roger

All I am trying to do is to make sense of what is stated in Hayles book.

1.  I am presuming that what she says is true i.e. information closure

2 This then raises the definition of Information

3 Something  is allowed from outside to in

4 I am just saying that can we agree to call what is sensed by the organisim is a datum ( or a distinction )

5 Information is something different and observer dependent

Alfredo

> ________________________________
> From: Roger Duck <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Thursday, 18 March, 2010 10:56:34
> Subject: autopoiesis and information flows
>
>
> I am puzzling over the following from Katherine
> Hayles’ book (How we Became Posthuman):
>
> P10: “In a sense, autopoiesis turns the cybernetic
> paradigm inside out. Its central premise – that systems are
> informationally closed – radically alters the idea of the
> informationalfeedback loop, for the loop no longer functions to
> connect a system to its
> environment. In the autopoietic view, no information crosses the
> boundaryseparating the system from its environment.”
>
> Again: “no information crosses the boundary separating
> the system from its environment.” This is a strong statement! Is it
> consistent with the VSM view? I tend to think of the loops between
> S1 and the
> environment, and even more so between S4 and the environment, as
> dealing with
> “finding things out about what is going on out there”. And Stafford’s
> second and third principles of organisation mention “channels carrying
> information”.
>
> Anyone want to help me though this conceptual jungle?
>
> Roger D
>
>
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