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Alfredo, I can well imagine your wry smile when you wrote that!!

Roger




On 22 Mar 2010, at 12:09, Alfredo Moscardini wrote:

>
> Dear Roger
>
> All I am trying to do is to make sense of what is stated in Hayles  
> book.
>
> 1.  I am presuming that what she says is true i.e. information closure
>
> 2 This then raises the definition of Information
>
> 3 Something  is allowed from outside to in
>
> 4 I am just saying that can we agree to call what is sensed by the  
> organisim is a datum ( or a distinction )
>
> 5 Information is something different and observer dependent
>
> Alfredo
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Roger Duck <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Thursday, 18 March, 2010 10:56:34
> > Subject: autopoiesis and information flows
> >
> >
> > I am puzzling over the following from Katherine
> > Hayles’ book (How we Became Posthuman):
> >
> > P10: “In a sense, autopoiesis turns the cybernetic
> > paradigm inside out. Its central premise – that systems are
> > informationally closed – radically alters the idea of the
> > informationalfeedback loop, for the loop no longer functions to
> > connect a system to its
> > environment. In the autopoietic view, no information crosses the
> > boundaryseparating the system from its environment.”
> >
> > Again: “no information crosses the boundary separating
> > the system from its environment.” This is a strong statement! Is it
> > consistent with the VSM view? I tend to think of the loops between
> > S1 and the
> > environment, and even more so between S4 and the environment, as
> > dealing with
> > “finding things out about what is going on out there”. And  
> Stafford’s
> > second and third principles of organisation mention “channels  
> carrying
> > information”.
> >
> > Anyone want to help me though this conceptual jungle?
> >
> > Roger D
> >
> >
> >
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