Dear Enrique

I am also willing to help in any practical way, but perhaps Roger's questions need clarification first.

One theme for reflection this forum could be postulating how, in a possible alternate scenario model, a fully functioning and mature Cybersyn system in Chile would have functioned in this situation and what difference it would/could have made.

1973 may seem a distant past, but with 9 billion people due to be settled here on earth by 2050, there is surely going to be more need for coordination systems as natural events like this occur in populated areas.

With the recent destruction in Haiti and now your Chile, there must be increasing risk in California? Or does the stress relief reduce the risk elsewhere on the fault line? 

Kind regards

Russell



On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Roger Harnden <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Enrique,

I sincerely hope that yourself and those close to you are safe.


I think your invitation on the 'reflexion forum' is extremely interesting from a cybernetic point of view. But let's be clear what you mean, rather than jumping to any conclusions.

I take it that this is not a request for aid as such (which is being addressed for better or worse by others), but a request to use the 'opportunity' (I use the word carefully and with respect for the many tragic human realities of the situation) to 'experiment' with the potential of tools such as social networking - in particular to experiment with the impactl of feedback into the social network (and thence beyond) to investigate whether this is positive, negative or neutral in its impact on how human beings approach such matters or integrate the lessons of such matters into their ongoing social human-ness. Hence your comment about "how the internet is use beyond as a comercial and academic tool?"

If my instinct is correct, I conceive a Luc/Russell- type 'story-telling' forum which records the differing perceptions of 'the world' to such an event, and how or not this perception impacts on the everyday life (and understandings) of those observers.

Is this the sort for thing you mean, Enrque?......or have I stated the issue in a too-academic jargon??


Roger


On 2 Mar 2010, at 23:51, enrique rivera wrote:

Hello all,

I am writing you from Santiago, Chile, still in shock because of the quake.

I want to ask for your help in this situation, bringing some attention to this situation. Inestability and chaos are predominating, and social change is happening in the most sad way.

The idea is to create a reflexion forum about how society reacts in this situation (Chilean and global), and how you percibe this from your different countries. In this sense the social web will be key in order to capture the information.

All this information will be use to create a thinking frame and a source to understand from a cybernetic point of view what is happening here after this natural disaster.

How can organizational cybernetics can help in this situations, and how the internet is use beyond as a comercial and academic tool?

Also I invite you to read this investigation about the global efect: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2504

Kind regards,

Enrique
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