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Me too! I'm reminded of humans attempting to mimic chimpanzees dexterity in using a reed to hunt for termites in a dead tree. It looked easy but not of the humans could match what the chimps could do. I guess from a systems perspective we are looking at heuristic knowledge. It is a bit like someone thinking swimming is easy after reading the book.... it doesn't work like that. Might be fun to see if we could emulate this talented artist, I very much doubt we could get anywhere near....there is an xfactor in successful story or joke telling....and we seem hardwired to recognize it. Finding and replicating that talent to accurately communicate complexity in thumbnail images or sound bites is the bridge that could take us from a small scale network of nearly likeminded staffordians to another sphere of influence.... One day...till then I will look for more work from this passionately skilled dreamweaver....
 
Steve


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Sent: Sat 06/03/2010 08:35
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Subject: Re: Kseniya Simonova

I am with Roger on this. Thank God thre are Rogers still around with angelic insight to nudge us in the right direction.
 
In thanks,
 
Paul
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Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kseniya Simonova

I beg to differ, Roger. Well not beg :-)

What skill? All she did was use tricks that any third rate artist knows how to use. Yes, extraordinary the first time but I bet after a few repeat performances most people would get tired of it. It's the same with pavement artists and graffiti artists, they are competent at what they do but that's all. Stuff like what she did is chewing gums for the eyes, it quickly loses its flavour and then has to be spat out.

Frank


On 5 Mar 2010, at 11:09, Roger Harnden wrote:

Guys,

In my humble opinion, the critical point is that is that the actual expression of  visual forms  in terms of perspective and changing scenarios (OK - with a crappy, propaganda music-over), was charged with amazing skill. To convey what was conveyed came on the back of a fantastic grasp of perspective and layout.

As you say Steve, an added component was the emotional impact of the '\casual' transience of each of the visual forms as they discompose and become different ones. Yes, here's something very seductive and powerful about that.

I liked it because it is a PERFORMANCE which is continually making you ask the question - "Wow - where's it gone - what's this?"

That immediatcy is what grabbed me

Roger

On 4 Mar 2010, at 19:45, Wright, Steve wrote:

Hi Frank,

 

I agree with what you have said and yet even having that critical analysis, the performance still had the power to move. I think most of us could have fun playing with this medium if we had access, but only a very few could get that confident or that good. I am still not sure why iit produces such an emotional hit. We have seen zillions of propaganda films and they mostly do not affect. Part of it is I guess just the presentation of innocent indignation – a bit like the video we saw of the girl who changed the world for five minutes or a child’s picture. We know it is primitive but are willing to see it coming from the heart. I liked the fact the medium is elastic – you can see her literally playing with light and shadow and we are all aware that the images are metaphorically and literally made of sand. I used it as a means of illustrating emotive images and their power but then switched to US military simulation designed to mimic modern battlespaces and incorporating smells of burning flesh. Same, same but different…

 

Steve

 

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04 March 2010 19:25
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Subject: Re: Kseniya Simonova

 

I found the medium interesting and wonder what it is?

 

It was interesting on one level and very superficial on another. Having dabbled a little in cartoon drawing I know that it is relatively easy to do as the "moves" are very basic and all you do is build up those moves. Ok the same could be said about music but however my point is that what she does is in one sense ephemeral and in another sense also very repeatable. 

 

In other words this form of art is "short order" to be mechanically in an artist fast picture joint.

 

It's like those 3d drawings you first go "Wow!" and then you go "Yeh ok". The illusionist Derren Browne points out that if the audience knew how his tricks were done they would soon lose interest. Same with this form of drawing and also the 3D ones. 

 

I'm not sure it's right brain activity, it's too ersatz for that. 

 

However Russell's comment sparked off an idea in me that maybe just maybe it could be uses as part of a suite of communication tools in an presentation but some part of me is doubtful still. Or it could be used but not presented as "art" but more in the way diagrams etc are used.

 

The imagery is very Communist Russian Revolution type of stuff and I think that's what Trevor meant as "propaganda".

 

Frank

 



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