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Dai - I'm not sure who you are, but I totally go along with what you  
say, and, more importantly, with what you say about which doors we  
attempt to push,

Hello, and best wishes


Roger
On 3 Mar 2010, at 16:34, Dai Griffiths wrote:

> I agree, and appreciate the judiciously placed scare quotes around  
> 'the others'.
>
> A friend of mine when in Spain was shaken to be rescued from a car  
> breakdown and subsequently fed by a crew of friendly passers by who  
> happily announced "We're fascists".
> The Internet makes that kind of contact much more likely, by  
> removing many of the filters which operate in day to day life (it is  
> typical that my friends contact happened after a breakdown in normal  
> activity). But, for better or for worse, the Internet also reduces  
> the social damping on interactions, including on insults and  
> provocation.
>
> It's not clear to me how this balance of "more contact with the  
> other /  less social control over provocation" will work out.
> Will the Internet
> a) help us to see that 'the other' is not simply an evil entity that  
> should be destroyed, but a human being with whom we have a potential/ 
> actual problem that needs to be resolved? (Uncomfortable for all of  
> us to some degree, as Roger suggests).
> Or
> b) will it be an flame war that grows until it reaches critical  
> mass, when it spills out into unthinking destructive action?
>
> I see both as possible outcomes. So more practically the question  
> is, what interventions could be made to nudge the Internet towards a).
>
> Dai
>
>
> On 3 March 2010 16:42, Roger Harnden <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The interesting thing about the future of internet is that it will  
> cut through ALL OF OUR prejudices.
>
> Sure, the red-neck hill billy will have a voice, as will the Islamic  
> fundamentalist, as will the atheist, as will Roger Harnden - but ALL  
> of them will be in the mix, and only some of them will be attractive  
> to 'all of the people all of the time' (Bob Dylan).
>
> The only ones scared of it should be those of us - and that side of  
> EACH of us - who feel uneasy about co-existence with 'the other'.
> And, every State and every Prejudice, will be scared by this and  
> will attempt to diffuse the possibility that all ' the others' have  
> a voice.
>
> And - Frank - this is not because of any intrinsic 'big brother' or  
> 'expertise - but because the Web is uncontrollable except in 'local  
> pockets'.
>
> The Web itself is not a vantage or pulpit, but a CHANNEL or an order  
> of magnitude greater than any that might have been conceived by  
> McCluhan. Pulpits and expertises will hustle each other for space in  
> this medium, but each will fail - or, more accurately, will rise,  
> variously dominate, and disappear in an endless flow.
>
> Roger
>
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