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Steve,


Any of us naive 'laypersons' know exactly what you mean from  
mainsrteam films, such as the 'Bourne" series. I don't think any of  
that takes away from the point I am making. I am not making any point  
about the powers that be, but simply saying the balance of powor is  
shifting,

IN other words, Steve, I don't believe it matters how much is  
controlled by the military/industrial complex. What is significant is  
how much remains uncontrollled, or perhaps, better, out of control.  
Therein lies the novelty, Steve, because that 'uncontrolled' is  
historically speaking unique.


Roger
On 3 Mar 2010, at 16:29, Wright, Steve wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>
> These are fine insights. However, I would like to add some further
> points.
>
>
> 1. There is not just one universal shared web. The Western Military  
> most
> notably the US have their own secure part of the network that is
> isolated from the rest of us.
>
> 2. US Military own key elements of the web infrastructure. If needs
> must, some of this  military satellite piggypacked infrastructure  
> can be
> simply switched off.
>
> 3. People might be astonished at just how much of our email traffic is
> routed through the US. More shocking perhaps is how much of this  
> traffic
> is filtered through just several buildings in one city run by US
> intelligence agencies. See Stephen Grahams presentations;-
>
> http://vimeo.com/8890155
>
> Future wars will be orientated towards taking such infrastructure out
> and already weapons technology is available on the international arms
> markets to do this including everything from missiles to breifcases
> using high-powererd microwaves to disable compures, vehicles and
> telecommunications. A key future challenge will be to harden some of  
> the
> necessary carrying infrastructure and to build in super redundancy so
> that no one state can switch off or intercept the contents of all the
> others....
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roger  
> Harnden
> Sent: 03 March 2010 15:43
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> Subject: the Web (re: the future of Internet)
>
> The interesting thing about the future of internet is that it will cut
> through ALL OF OUR prejudices.
>
> Sure, the red-neck hill billy will have a voice, as will the Islamic
> fundamentalist, as will the atheist, as will Roger Harnden - but ALL
> of them will be in the mix, and only some of them will be attractive
> to 'all of the people all of the time' (Bob Dylan).
>
> The only ones scared of it should be those of us - and that side of
> EACH of us - who feel uneasy about co-existence with 'the other'.
> And, every State and every Prejudice, will be scared by this and will
> attempt to diffuse the possibility that all ' the others' have a  
> voice.
>
> And - Frank - this is not because of any intrinsic 'big brother' or
> 'expertise - but because the Web is uncontrollable except in 'local
> pockets'.
>
> The Web itself is not a vantage or pulpit, but a CHANNEL or an order
> of magnitude greater than any that might have been conceived by
> McCluhan. Pulpits and expertises will hustle each other for space in
> this medium, but each will fail - or, more accurately, will rise,
> variously dominate, and disappear in an endless flow.
>
> Roger
>
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