Knowing what you're in helps you predict, knowing that there are other makes you think about modifying your assumptions across the board. You can see above but those below should help you with part of the picture.

On 16 Nov 2009, at 17:48, Roger Harnden wrote:

Just to be clear as regards my last message.  What I was intending to write is that Stefan appears to stress the need for the correct 'reference frame'.  Well - is 'correct'  with reference to the observer or to the observed??? Are the two different, or the same? This bears on Dirk's recent query.



Roger

On 14 Nov 2009, at 14:12, Roger Harnden wrote:

Hey, guys........you need a languaging context to make any such distinctions, which distinctions  are never free of that languaging context,


Roger
On 14 Nov 2009, at 11:48, Stefan Wasilewski wrote:

True but you need to know what reference frame you're in to make sense of the whole.

Stefan

On 14 Nov 2009, at 02:24, Joseph Truss wrote:

Hi Stefan, Nick,

Time is a measure of motion which produces distance in space (re Duffield - space is simply distance). Distance is measured relative to the speed of light (the metre is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299792458 of a second) which is why c, the measured speed of light never changes.  We measure the speed of light only in terms of the speed of light.  If the universe was half as small, time would be twice as fast to an external observer, but time would feel no different to us if we were in the half or full universe.

Nick, Googling Hubius Helix seems to get circular results with the Hu article.  The following image came back from a Google Image search on 'Hubius Helix'.  It happens to be the same 'toroidal photon electron' Figures 41 and 51 in Duffield attributed to Williamson and van der Mark.
toroid2.jpg
Best,
Joe

Joseph Truss
Team Syntegrity International AG/ Metaphorum / Abbey North Drummers



From: Nick Green <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 2:20:54 PM
Subject: Re: Think before you Think, SuperFreakonomics and Relativity+

That's it Stef (well motion that produces interaction that produces time) and thanks Joe- Duffield will be delighted. This morning I had an email from him telling me about the "Hubius Helix" model in this paper from Hu at Gothenburg. He seems to have produced the same idea in 2004 as Williamson in 1997 (Pask's dependence/analogy generalization was written down 1992).  I need a close read of this.
 
Anyone heard of Hubius helix before?

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Think before you Think, SuperFreakonomics and Relativity+

Time is motion Joe!


On 12 Nov 2009, at 00:04, Joseph Truss wrote:

Dear Nick,

I'm halfway through Duffield's book which you referred some months ago and I just received.  To use Stafford and my favorite 'highest accolade" - a technical term - "F-CKING AMAZING!"

Indeed we are all twist and turn and light!

Thanks for this.  Extraordinarily useful!

Best,
Joe

From your cybsoc link:

Relativity+

John Duffield presents physics with all it's deficiencies to the critical lay reader. He gives a brisk, popular but detailed account and brings the Williamson Model of the electron, as a self-closed photon, to a wider readership. In the process, for example, he covers the weaknesses of the Standard Model, Gravity, Black Holes and the neglected importance of the governing permeability and permittivity of free space. Here is a physics for cyberneticians enabled by Gordon Pask's 1992 mysterious assertion that a doubly twisted torus topology is required for analogy and dependence. In this book it is applied to the electron. There are 12 pages of commented references, many on the web. "Relativity+: The Theory of Everything" by John Duffield ISBN 9780956097804 Corella 2009 222 pages 9.99.

 
Joseph Truss
Team Syntegrity International AG/ Metaphorum / Abbey North Drummers



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