That's a good point Barry, and maybe there is value in trying to make these efforts and accomplishments more visible. People do bring in their individual projects to illustrate these discussions, and that is always enlightening. But, at the same time there is a difference between "we" as individuals who share a common and interest and "we" as a collective, accomplishing things together. There seems to be some appetite for trying to be more of the latter.
I share that appetite. I may seem to be a relatively new voice here, but I have been ears here for years (thanks, Leonid). I have carried your book around (one of the most expensive in my library, by the way! Bu well worth it) and waved it in the faces of visitors to my office, as an accessible explanation of a powerful thinking tool (VSM). The VSM thought framework is like an item on a heads-up display for me -- always available as a device to peer through at each new interesting social organization that I stumble upon.
At the moment, I am almost totally free of organizational entanglements, so I am quite interested in helping to formalize or otherwise encourage any efforts to bolster our collective and individual effectiveness. Do we want to be an enterprise? I am something of an enterprise architect. So I'm happy to pitch in, if there's enough interest.
That was well put, Joe.Given all the evidence that Gaia and human civilization are both in crisis, this listserve is a critical oasis of sanity and thoughtfulness.As an activist by temperament, I would love to see lots of concrete action coming from the listserve members. However, we spent a Saturday morning at the Cybernetics of Crisis conference in St Galens just sharing the projects we were involved in. I was completely blown away by the number and variety of practical projects our members are already engaged in. I now believe that the primary reason we don't see practical projects coming from the listserve is because many, many members of the group are ALREADY deeply, actively committed to changing the world thru a huge variety of projects.BarryOn Nov 4, 2009, at 3:23 AM, Joseph Truss wrote:
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