Print

Print


Hi Stefan,
 
To keep clear, our conversations were with Judy Merril not Pohl and in our group of the time, ie Stafford, Allenna, myself although it would have been great to have Pohl there my guess is we would all have preferred Judy if we had to choose one or the other.  Stafford had a similar reaction to Margaret Mead who he thought was brighter than Gregory Bateson.

 tat tvam asi
 
Joseph Truss
Abbey North Drummers / Open Futures / Team Syntegrity AG



From: Stefan Wasilewski <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:50:58 PM
Subject: Re: S4 Intelligence FYI

Quite right Joe, always confused them.

Interesting connections, I would loved to have been a participant in conversation with Pohl, but then again, we are who we are.

Still thinking!
tefan

On 12 Dec 2008, at 21:33, Joseph Truss wrote:

For sure, Stefan.  This was not meant as commentary but what is in the current science media related to some of our own references.  Heinlein is my favourite stranger in a strange land. I think you must mean Asimov and I must revisit Bicentennial Man which I read too long ago and saw the movie so can't remember the book.  Did you know that Stafford was used by name in a sci-fi novel I think it was called "Waverider" or "Waverunner" or something like that but I'll have to check - Allenna??  Also he and Allenna were friends with our sci-fi doyen Judy Merrill. She was also married to Frederik Pohl.http://www.judithmerril.com/about.html   We had some interesting conversations together in Toronto before Judy's death - she pretty much tore apart the social descriptions of Frank Herbert's Dune as  inconsistent.
 
Joseph Truss
Abbey North Drummers / Open Futures / Team Syntegrity AG



From: Stefan Wasilewski <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:15:47 AM
Subject: Re: S4 Intelligence FYI

This is old hat as most Sci-Fi readers will tell you.

Best book's are Heinlein's Bicentennial Man.

Stefan
On 12 Dec 2008, at 07:03, Joseph Truss wrote:

Regarding Jeffrey Sachs:
 

Sustainable Developments: Blackouts and Cascading Failures; January 2009; Scientific American Magazine; by Jeffrey D. Sachs; 1 Page(s)

The global economic crisis is akin to a power black-out. A single downed power line or transient overload causes power to be shunted to another part of the grid, which in turn leads to new overloads, more shunting and ultimately to a cascade of failures that pushes a region into darkness. Similarly, a U.S. banking emergency caused by worsening national market conditions has sent shock waves through the world’s financial system, causing a global banking crisis that now threatens to become a severe global economic downturn. Cascading failures are emergent phenomena of a network, rather than independent and coincidental failures of its individual components. Although many banks in the U.S. and Europe simultaneously overinvested in mortgage-backed securities (MBSs) to their peril, positive feedbacks in the global economic system amplified those errors. Bank regulators and macroeconomic policymakers have not yet given those feedbacks proper regard.

The first key feedback is the “debt-deflation spiral.” When default rates on mortgages started to rise in 2007, the banks suffered capital losses on their holdings of MBSs. To repay their creditors (such as the money-market funds that had lent them short-term money), the banks sold their MBSs en masse, driving the market prices of those securities even lower and amplifying the banking sector’s losses.

...and regarding whether or not we progress -
 

What Will Become of Homo sapiens?; January 2009; Scientific American Magazine; by Peter Ward; 6 Page(s)

When you ask for opinions about what future humans might look like, you typically get one of two answers. Some people trot out the old science-fiction vision of a big-brained human with a high forehead and higher intellect. Others say humans are no longer evolving physically—that technology has put an end to the brutal logic of natural selection and that evolution is now purely cultural.

The big-brain vision has no real scientific basis. The fossil record of skull sizes over the past several thousand generations shows that our days of rapid increase in brain size are long over. Accordingly, most scientists a few years ago would have taken the view that human physical evolution has ceased. But DNA techniques, which probe genomes both present and past, have unleashed a revolution in studying evolution; they tell a different story. Not only has Homo sapiens been doing some major genetic reshuffling since our species formed, but the rate of human evolution may, if anything, have increased. In common with other organisms, we underwent the most dramatic changes to our body shape when our species first appeared, but we continue to show genetically induced changes to our physiology and perhaps to our behavior as well. Until fairly recently in our history, human races in various parts of the world were becoming more rather than less distinct. Even today the conditions of modern life could be driving changes to genes for certain behavioral traits. If giant brains are not in store for us, then what is? Will we become larger or smaller, smarter or dumber? How will the emergence of new diseases and the rise in global temperature shape us? Will a new human species arise one day? Or does the future evolution of humanity lie not within our genes but within our technology, as we augment our brains and bodies with silicon and steel? Are we but the builders of the next dominant intelligence on the earth—the machines?

 



.

 
Joseph Truss
Abbey North Drummers / Open Futures / Team Syntegrity AG


Now with a new friend-happy design! Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org For the Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to:www.platformforchange.org METAPHORUM eList Archive available at - https://listserv.heanet.ie/ucd-staffordbeer.html Archive of CYBCOM eList available at - http://hermes.circ.gwu.edu/archives/cybcom.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org For the Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to: www.platformforchange.org METAPHORUM eList Archive available at - https://listserv.heanet.ie/ucd-staffordbeer.html Archive of CYBCOM eList available at - http://hermes.circ.gwu.edu/archives/cybcom.html~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Now with a new friend-happy design! Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org For the Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to:www.platformforchange.org METAPHORUM eList Archive available at - https://listserv.heanet.ie/ucd-staffordbeer.html Archive of CYBCOM eList available at - http://hermes.circ.gwu.edu/archives/cybcom.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org For the Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to: www.platformforchange.org METAPHORUM eList Archive available at - https://listserv.heanet.ie/ucd-staffordbeer.html Archive of CYBCOM eList available at - http://hermes.circ.gwu.edu/archives/cybcom.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org For the Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to: www.platformforchange.org METAPHORUM eList Archive available at - https://listserv.heanet.ie/ucd-staffordbeer.html Archive of CYBCOM eList available at - http://hermes.circ.gwu.edu/archives/cybcom.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~