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Thanks for this Arthur.
 
Business Brain might indeed appeal to managers etc.
 
Frank
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From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Arthur Dijkstra
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Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: VSM4Business

How about

Organisational Brain

Or

Business Brain

Or

Corporate Brain

 

Arthur

 

Van: Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Joseph Truss
Verzonden: vrijdag 19 december 2008 16:46
Aan: [log in to unmask]
Onderwerp: Re: VSM4Business

 

'Operational sustainability'

'The viability of business - the business of viability'

'Adaptability, sustainability, viability'

 

"Add Beer to your bottom line!"

 

 

Joseph Truss
Abbey North Drummers / Open Futures / Team Syntegrity AG

 

 


From: Paul Stokes <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:35:32 AM
Subject: Re: VSM4Business

Well I'm using 'Sustainable Ops' or 'Sustainable Operations', if that's of any use to you folks.

 

Paul

 

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Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:24 AM

Subject: Re: VSM4Business

 

Frank is that the BOTTOM line? We do need a spanking good phrase!

 

Joseph Truss
Abbey North Drummers / Open Futures / Team Syntegrity AG

 

 


From: Frank <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:00:47 PM
Subject: Re: VSM4Business

Lol or

 

Reaches the Parts that Beer Reaches.

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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: VSM4Business

 

FREE BEER?

 

Boris

 

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From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=_blank>Frank

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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: VSM4Business

 

Hmm yes but it doesn't get across the idea of an organisation being able to sense internal imbalace and being able to self correct so to speak in the light of knowledge of new external conditions. Thanks btw for all this and sorry for being such a pain.

 

I need a title that instantly draws in the businessman/manager etc. Someone who is suffering in a dysfunctional organisation who will go, "Wow, I must find out more about this!" when he reads the title of the wikispace. The title of course has to reflect very pithilly what VSM is all about.

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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:46 PM

Subject: Re: VSM4Business

 

'Organisational viability'.

 

Roger

On 18 Dec 2008, at 22:22, Frank wrote:



That's one possibility except businessmen might just say "yeh, yeh, another fad". It also doesn't address the (how I see it) kernel of VSM that it's all about organisations being aware that something is wrong and then responding in a corrective manner. Homeostasis of a sort, I suppose with a dollop of coevolution. Or maybe I've got it all wrong.

 

I'm rereading Brain of the Firm and it's interesting how other things now jump out of the page so to speak.

 

Frank

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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:03 PM

Subject: Re: VSM4Business

 

What's wrong with Stafford's 'science of effective organisation'?

 

Roger

On 18 Dec 2008, at 21:42, Frank wrote:



Oops I forgot! Yeh I think Viable Systems Model is about as charismatic as 
cold rice pudding.

Hmm lets see. Some possible wikispace titles

Making Your Organisation Response - Able. (Not strictly VSM but a hook 
nonetheless.)

The Self Aware Organisation (More on VSM lines but a little too sci fi?)

Regards

Frank

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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:44 PM

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I think the term VSM is to be avoided at all costs upfront!

Why not make the title something more neutral/inspirational/controversial?

Professor Clive Holtham

phone: +44-20-7040-8622 fax: +44-20-7040-8328

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Cass Business School, City of  London, 106 Bunhill Row,  LONDON EC1Y 8TZ

 

 


From: Frank [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: 16 December 2008 21:44
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: VSM4Business

Everyone,

I really like VSM4Business but I don't think I can change the title of the Wiki because it will affect the URL.

 

So I have two options:

 

1) Scrap the existing VSMforbusiness and start with new titel. Fairly easy as not much has been done yet

 

2) Leave it but refer to the Wiki as VSM4Business in any emails etc. Problem is that it could be confusing.

 

I think I'll go for option 1 unless anyone has any ideas. I'll leave a decision until tomorrow.

 

Frank

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