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	From: Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frank
	Sent: vrijdag 19 december 2008 22:08
	To: [log in to unmask]
	Subject: Re: VSM4Business
	
	
	Stafford Beer, the beer that refreshes all the parts! (To borrow from an old beer advert).
	 
	Frank

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Joseph Truss <mailto:[log in to unmask]>  
		To: [log in to unmask] 
		Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:20 AM
		Subject: Re: VSM4Business

		Boris you have me laughing out LOUD!  HA HA HA What could be freer.
		
		 
		Joseph Truss
		Abbey North Drummers / Open Futures / Team Syntegrity AG 


		
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		From: "Boris G Freesman, Q.C." <[log in to unmask]>
		To: [log in to unmask]
		Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:12:11 PM
		Subject: Re: VSM4Business
		
		
		FREE BEER?
		 
		Boris
		 

			----- Original Message ----- 
			From: Frank <mailto:[log in to unmask]>  
			To: [log in to unmask] 
			Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:04 PM
			Subject: Re: VSM4Business

			Hmm yes but it doesn't get across the idea of an organisation being able to sense internal imbalace and being able to self correct so to speak in the light of knowledge of new external conditions. Thanks btw for all this and sorry for being such a pain. 
			 
			I need a title that instantly draws in the businessman/manager etc. Someone who is suffering in a dysfunctional organisation who will go, "Wow, I must find out more about this!" when he reads the title of the wikispace. The title of course has to reflect very pithilly what VSM is all about.

				----- Original Message ----- 
				From: Roger Harnden <mailto:[log in to unmask]>  
				To: [log in to unmask] 
				Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:46 PM
				Subject: Re: VSM4Business

				'Organisational viability'. 

				Roger
				
				On 18 Dec 2008, at 22:22, Frank wrote:


					
					That's one possibility except businessmen might just say "yeh, yeh, another fad". It also doesn't address the (how I see it) kernel of VSM that it's all about organisations being aware that something is wrong and then responding in a corrective manner. Homeostasis of a sort, I suppose with a dollop of coevolution. Or maybe I've got it all wrong.
					 
					I'm rereading Brain of the Firm and it's interesting how other things now jump out of the page so to speak.
					 
					Frank

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					From: Roger Harnden <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
					To: [log in to unmask]
					Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:03 PM
					Subject: Re: VSM4Business

					What's wrong with Stafford's 'science of effective organisation'? 

					Roger
					
					On 18 Dec 2008, at 21:42, Frank wrote:


					
					Oops I forgot! Yeh I think Viable Systems Model is about as charismatic as 
					cold rice pudding.
					
					Hmm lets see. Some possible wikispace titles
					
					Making Your Organisation Response - Able. (Not strictly VSM but a hook 
					nonetheless.)
					
					The Self Aware Organisation (More on VSM lines but a little too sci fi?)
					
					Regards
					
					Frank
					

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					From: Holtham, Clive <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
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					Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:44 PM
					Subject: Re: VSM4Business

					I think the term VSM is to be avoided at all costs upfront!

					Why not make the title something more neutral/inspirational/controversial?

					
					Professor Clive Holtham
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					From: Frank [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
					Sent: 16 December 2008 21:44
					To: [log in to unmask]
					Subject: VSM4Business
					
					
					Everyone,
					I really like VSM4Business but I don't think I can change the title of the Wiki because it will affect the URL.
					 
					So I have two options:
					 
					1) Scrap the existing VSMforbusiness and start with new titel. Fairly easy as not much has been done yet
					 
					2) Leave it but refer to the Wiki as VSM4Business in any emails etc. Problem is that it could be confusing.
					 
					I think I'll go for option 1 unless anyone has any ideas. I'll leave a decision until tomorrow.
					 
					Frank
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