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Gents,
 
I guess you are discussing different boxes. Suggestion: first talk about the box itself.
 
For the moment I'm on Stefan's side: the problem is and must be solved inside the box.
 
That most involved think inside the box is more an indication that they haven't considered the box well than an excuse to starting thinking outside it.
 
Harold
 
Now blogging at http://fragmentedliving.blogspot.com/
 


From: Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Boris G Freesman, Q.C.
Sent: dinsdag 16 december 2008 16:10
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Capitalist fools

"..issues as stated by the ASC Obama man that fundamental change must occur within the black box is right.."
 
I could not disagree with you more even if I tried!
 
The first step is to begin thinking outside the box. There are no answers within the box, only more of the same mistakes!
 
Boris
 
----- Original Message -----
From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Stefan Wasilewski
To: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: Capitalist fools

No we don't Joe.

May of these people are unaware of the similarity of processes across the insurance and capital markets so have missed essential pointers in system terms.

It's not their fault nor our but issues as stated by the ASC Obama man that fundamental change must occur within the black box is right, it's just that they don't know the whole system yet.

Stefan

On 16 Dec 2008, at 06:38, Joseph Truss wrote:

Hi Barry,
 
Thanks for this.  Amazing how the language has changed from crisis possible to crisis taken for granted and the daily stumbling from bad to worse.  The worst mistakes have already been made - we simply wait to face the consequences.
 
Joseph Truss
Abbey North Drummers / Open Futures / Team Syntegrity AG



From: BARRY A CLEMSON <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:52:04 PM
Subject: Capitalist fools

Nobel Laureate economist discusses the mistakes that led to our current financial meltdown

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2009/01/stiglitz200901



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