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Stefan,

I hope you keep talking because I find many of your posts very  
interesting.

Barry

On Dec 1, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Stefan Wasilewski wrote:

> Very much interested but there's a lot of noise going on and a trend  
> away from VSM that's worrying.
>
> Not interested in Snowden, have reviewed his stuff along with the  
> comments made over the last few weeks that show Stafford had  
> anticipated much of it.
>
> The problem we all have is WE know this stuff but the rest of the  
> world doesn't. We need to synthesise!
>
> There must be small steps away from existing paradigms that make  
> sense to the listener and where we can guide them gradually to a  
> higher level of interest in Systems.
>
> Just a thought, but what the heck, no-one seems to listen anyway,  
> hence my silence!
>
> Stefan
>
> On 1 Dec 2008, at 22:41, Roger Harnden wrote:
>
>> Everyone,
>>
>> I, like all of you, am an individual. Metaphorum is a place for  
>> individuals to dip their toes in and out of.
>>
>> It does a certain job - which for those who are just dipping their  
>> toes in and out of is fine. But for others who want to progress  
>> ideas/thinking/understanding might be different.
>>
>> I wish to progress ideas, collaboration, connectivity. And I value  
>> the core ides of SB (as well as others, whom I consider as  
>> important for an understanding of  Stafford),
>>
>> We have set up a wiki space around these apparently core ideas. Are  
>> people interested in this? Or is it of no interest? I know some  
>> peple are interested, but how about you others?
>>
>> Unfortunately, the more findings come out about Web 2.0 and 3.0 the  
>> more it becomes apparent that the potential is in statistical-scale  
>> usages. And we are a VERY SMALL COMMUNITY. The problem with that,  
>> is that psychological factors (nervousness, frustration,  
>> irritation....) dominate, whereas in a very large scale on-line  
>> community these factors take second place.
>>
>> This isn't a moan. but I wondered whether anyone else had any  
>> thoughts?
>>
>> Roger
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