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Does that make it an "out there and then" issue of environmental scanning for the Airbus A330-300?

I assume the answer is to better detect the weak signals and adjust before they [the field] overrides the plane's operational system? If so, then S4 must 'talk' with S5 (pilot) and S3 autopilot system and action taken in real time -- but by whom? .. S5 the pilot but then he's (she's) S3?  All very confusing.

Of course you make the valid and interesting point about open and closed systems interacting.

The response system above is analog working in a closed system (knowledge wise) and detecting the environment. However, by taking a 'digital' perspective  we should know where we (the aircraft) are (GPS) and human made HERO fields should be known and mapped. Therefore the environment scan moves from S4 to S3 (by way of logical mapping of open systems).  Then S4 can get back to 'sun spots' and leave it to S3* to detect whether S1 reality (plane) is mapping to logical (virtual) map. Or perhaps S2 is aware of S1 (moving Plane system) and S1 (stationary Tower system). 

In any case it suggests the need for greater military-civilian system (or at least knowledge/information) sharing. But then there is a higher risk of corrupting the secret renditioning system!



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This is interesting! I guess it is about open and closed systems. Modern signalling stations beam out prodigeous amounts of electromagnetic energy which can induce computer malfunctions elsewhere....
 
Such high powered communications webs are also part of military infrastructure during a battle or part of the telecommunications infrastructure associated with both early warning and missile defense. One paradox of this is that certain weapons have sub-explosive charges which can be set off by exposure to these fields if not properly shielded. There is even a name for it - HERO - Hazardous Effects of Radiation on Ordnance. One area of major concern is that when NATO navies get involved in foreign excursions such as the Falklands or Iraq, the ships are still carrying nuclear ordnance. The concern is that the explosive triggers around this ordnance is vulnerable to induced firing.....
 
The subject is sensitive and under researched but there is some documentation on previous accidents allegedly caused by HERO under the ehading of "broken arrows." I guess it is a case of "knowing" what is being "controlled" by relevant elements in any system - even the ones that you have not yet considered to be part of that system.....
 
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Two recent aircraft 'accidents' in the same locality?
 
Hmmm, ....
 
Now I was thinking that it was happening in a zone that is close to the antipode of the Bermuda Triangle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Triangle) and about to get out the X-Files DVD for clues!
 
But it seems we have a more earthly suspect.
 

Exmouth base linked to Airbus incident

 
Air safety investigators are examining concerns that electro-magnetic interference from a top secret US base at Exmouth could have sparked an emergency aboard a Qantas flight from Singapore to Perth earlier this month in which almost 70 people were injured.
  
It is understood the Australian Transport Safety Bureau will look into claims that transmissions from the Harold E Holt base caused a computer malfunction on QF72 which caused the Airbus A330-300 to climb unexpectedly before diving twice. 
 
The base, which was set up by the Americans at the height of the Cold War, acts as a communications relay station for US and Australian submarines in the southern hemisphere.
  
The signals station is said to be one of the most powerful of its kind and its main mast, known as Tower Zero, is taller than the Empire State building.
  
It is known that fears about the possible effects of transmissions from the base on aircraft have been raised before and the ATSB has now factored those concerns into the wider incident investigation.
  
The ATSB said on Tuesday night it had narrowed the cause of the accident down to a fault in one of the Airbus’s complicated computer systems, known as Air Data Inertial Reference Unit, though investigators admit they remain clueless as to the specific cause.
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