From: Neil McEwan <[log in to unmask]>
> At 07:48 PM 12/6/99 -0800, bjones wrote:
> >I know *YOU* will understand and excuse my journalistic license for the
> >of brevity. I had merely attempted to make fewer keystrokes by not adding
> >the proviso that Canada is the exception with lower murder rates, but you
> >still have higher crime rates in many respects.
> Unfortunately, the article you quote does not bear you out. For
Then blame the boys in your Govt's PDs for supplying me with faulty
statistics. They didnt originate in my office.
> >"According to the ICVS, which is conducted here by Statistics Canada, 25
> >percent of Canadians were the victim of a crime in 1996 versus 24 per
> >of Americans."
> This does not specify "violent crime", and since you started off by
> claiming that Canada had higher violent crime rates, I'm going to hold you
to that >statement.
You're going to "hold" me ... ha .. that's funny. I said this article was
merely an example. There is a lot more. Call the office referenced in the
article. AGain. I don't make the stats in Canada.
> >"Six per cent of Canucks suffered a violent crime "a robbery, armed
> robbery, sexual assault
> >or common assault" versus seven percent of Americans."
> This is not a "higher crime rate"; at any rate, the number six is
> than the number seven,
> is it not?
The overall crime rate IS higher. See my opening remarks.
> I'm not even sure if this article is accurate. In 1998, there were
> 295,369 violent crimes
> in Canada, but 8,116,000 in the U.S. The U.S. population is roughly 10
> times greater than
> that of Canada, but its number of violent crimes is 27 times higher.
So what? We - as a people - like to solve problems with violence. It's what
happens when you take people from all over th eworld and tell them they can
do anything they want. Funny how so many people from so many different
societies act the same way when given unlimited choices. See next:
> >"For some reason, Americans see murder as a solution to their problems,
> >murder with guns, murder with knives, murder with fists, much more often
> >than do the citizens of other western nations."
The "murder" rates so often quoted in US and world papers are almost always
wrong too. They are wrong in this respect. All the murders are attributed to
firearms when, in fact, less than half are committed with firearms. The
number 1 murder weapon of choice is the standard kitchen knife. The number
two are "bludgeons" of all types, but particularly the baseball bat. Guns
are only number 3.
> That's the "cowboy mentality" for you.
Hardly. It's the result of unlimited *FREE* choice in addressing ones
issues. See above. In days of old there were - and still are - just as many
"cowboys" in Canada as in the US.
> >> I'll assume that by "you people" you include Canadians, since you
> >No, I didn't as I wasn't speaking to one. Unless you want to identify
> You weren't speaking to "people" at all, but one individual.
> Nevertheless you decided
> to insult the entire population of the UK, and I had no reason to doubt
> that you were also
> insulting the populations of the other nations you condemned.
Then you assume too much.
> >> mentioned them above, so I'd like to point out that you *can* own a gun
> in Canada, but that our
> >> lack of a homicidal cowboy mentality prevents us from putting holes in
> our neighbours at quite
> >> the same rate as in the Land of the Free. ...
> >As pointed out in the Canadian paper quoted above, this is not true.
> >Canadian Provinces bordering the US have more crime that the US States
> >border where guns are owned more easily.
> Again, what kind of crime? And how are local variations supposed to
> blind us to the fact that
> one is four times as likely to be murdered in the US as in Canada?
One is only likely to be murdered at all by a firearm in the US if one is a
young Black or Hispanic male living in inner city ghettos and engaged in the
commerce of illegal drugs. The remainder are people murdered by kin using
weapons other than firearms.
> >> But of course I'm only saying that because the
> >> Telescreen is watching.
> >Big Brother, Big Brother ... from the Canadian sources cited above, it
> >looks like you people need more guns for protection.
> Please drop the ugly-American routine. Your country has enough
> assholes as it is.
You insult me and my country I'll return the favor immediately asshole.
Bruce L. Jones
The Desert Hostage
The Mojave Desert - The Geographic Center of Nowhere