>From: Sean Cavanaugh <[log in to unmask]>
> Do you regard this as mere coincidence? See, I don't think it's a mistake
> these things have manifested themselves in our terminology. Likewise, I
> don't think it's a mistake that virtually all musical terms are Italian.
> (And of course, let's not forget coffee ... Latte, Espresso, Capuccino. <g>)
And I'm sure that's why most of the well-respected modern intellectuals in
the world come from France, Germany, and Austria, right? I'm not saying
that Italy hasn't contributed to Western culture. Italy was *the* major
force to reckon with for a very long time. However, I don't think that an
inherent cultural superiority is responsible for this.
They key difference between Italy and China: China *knew* it was the best,
and didn't give a shit if anyone else knew. Italy was hell-bent on making
everyone see things their way.
> What you're doing is splitting hairs, Stacy, going off on tangents to
> make points, even though they don't detract from the original argument. For
> example, you can bring up side points about the terrible actions of the
> Christian church, or the fact that its Holy Land is neither in Italy nor
> Europe. So? It doesn't change the fact that Rome and Italy were the center
> of Christianity, or that Italy was the seat of the Renaissance, or that
> we're still living in a world significantly affected by Italian culture,
> which had an effect orders of magnitude more profound than any other single
> western culture.
I don't agree with you that Rome was the center of Christianity, at least
not in the way you are implying. Rome became the seat of the church for
political reasons, much the same way the Christian church ever rose above
marginalization for political reasons.
I'm aware that Italy was the center of the Renaissance. I'm not arguing
that at all. I simply do not agree that Italy is the best thing in the
world. I also think that a large part of the effect that both Italy and
Greece have had on the Western world is our reverence of the "classical"
cultures. Rightly or wrongly, they are what we see as the golden cultures,
the ideals by which we frequently judge our own culture.
We're not going to see eye-to-eye on this, and that's fine. You want to ask
why it is that so many great things came from Italy, but you should be
asking HOW it is that so many great things came from Italy. Then dig a
little deeper in to the history of the growth of Rome and Roman influence.
Can we go back to type now?