Out of curiosity, does Vennemann consider the Picts to be Atlantian?
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From: Dennis King <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Manann/an
Ar 6:32 PM -0400 6/25/99, scríobh Francine Nicholson:
> Second, does Mananna/n's name come from the island (called Mona
>by the Romans--same as Anglesey--and Eubonia by Nennius) or vice versa?
MacKillop, in his Dictionary of Celtic Mythology, also lists Old
English "Maenig" and Old Norse "Maun", as well as "Manavia" given
in Ptolemy's "Geography" (2nd cent. A.D.). The Old Irish is "Mana".
A web-based version of Nennius's "Tracts on the History of the
Gaedil at http://members.aol.com/lochlan2/nennius.htm shows this
instance of Manavia, not as Man but as a city elsewhere:
"Builc had the island Eubonia, and other adjacent
places. The sons of Liethali obtained the country of the
Dimetae, where is a city called Manavia and the province
of Giheir and Cequell, which they held till they were
expelled from every part of Britain by Ceunedda and his
(By the way, could there be a link between Eubonia and Emain,
as in Emain Ablach, given as a home of Manannán? The bilabial
/b/ would have had a lenited pronunciation /v/, which was then
reinterpreted as the nasalized bilabial /v~/ shown by the "m"
in Emain. The ending -ia would have dropped off in the usual
way, leaving the final "n" with the slender pronunciaton shown
Anyway, the toponym Mona/Mana/Manau seems to have been around
for quite some time. The Romans apparently applied it not
just to Man and Anglesey, but also for another island thought
to be Arran, off the coast of Scotland next to Kintyre. Was
is Brythonic in origin, pre-Celtic, even Atlantian (Vennemann's
term for a West Semitic substrate)?