At 04:30 AM 5/21/99 +1000, Graeme Bailey wrote:
>At 11:55 AM 19-05-1999 -0300, you wrote:
>> The Bible is the foundation of Christian doctrine, and in it we find
>>God exhorting the Israelites to slaughter foreign peoples and take their
>>land, among other nasty things.
>Sounds positively *contemporary*
It should. It has been responsible for the millennial or fanatical
strain in Christian thought that continues to influence the actions of
Western countries until the present day. The attitude of the US towards
Iraq or Serbia for example strikes me as very Old Testament.
>> As for "evidence" of Christ provided by prophecy: the problem here is
>>that (as Northrop Frye noted) we only have the word of the New Testament
>>that the Old Testament is true, and we only have the word of the Old
>>Testament that the New Testament is true -- Frye called this "the double
>>mirror". It does not constitute evidence to outside observers like us.
>When you die... God or Frye <he he he>
Rather a weak evasion there Graeme. The point is that there is no
way to verify that what the Bible says is true, and we have only the
Bible's word for it that the prophecies were fulfilled. That is not
As for when I die, may I remind you that your own holy book says "the
dead know nothing"? That prospect may not fill you with as much relish
in anticipation as the wailing and gnashing of teeth, of course.
>> On the other hand another Roman (Lucius Apuleius) wrote of a character
>>in his novel: "She was malicious, cruel, spiteful, lecherous, drunken,
>>selfish, obstinate... an enemy of all that was honest and clean. She also
>>professed perfect scorn for the Immortals and rejected all true religion
>>in favour of a fantastic and blasphemous cult of an "Only God"." <...>
>mmm ...she sounds like a student, probably foreign?
>Lucky it was a novel
The Bible is also literature, and has no more basis in fact than the work