t 03:56 AM 5/16/99 +0100, Gil Hardwick wrote:
>At 10:32 AM 5/15/99 -0300, Neil McEwan wrote:
>>At 12:25 PM 5/15/99 +0100, Gil Hardwick wrote:
>>>That those remaining in what you refer to as "the Celtic lands" being
>>>"pretty devout Christians" is not relevant to Celtic belief, especially
>>>since the Church was instrumental in forcing the diaspora on religious
>I knew this one would suck you right in, Neil. This medium may well
>be limited in some respects, but it does allow some tricks.
>Neil McEwan deems something to be nonsense, thus it is nonsense.
Actually, it's nonsense because it isn't supported by a shred of evidence
-- but please don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-Christian or
anti-English propaganda -- or your ad-hominem attacks on other listmembers.
>If there were any way to genuflect here, Neil, I would.
>And piss in your holy water on the way out . . .
That's rather a childish blasphemy, don't you think? Do you still carve
obscenities into walls too?
>Alternatively, you might care to study something in the way of Church
>history, Neil. Maybe start with Ireland's alliance with Spain, where
>the Inquisition was established after Innocent III.
How did this lead to the "Diaspora"?
>You might like to go back even further, to the Donation of Ireland by
>Pope Adrian IV to the English King Henry II, in 1155, and ask about the
>Treaty of Kilkenny.
He was an English pope, however... I find it odd that you who are normally
so quick to spot and identify the "Pommy bastard" should have failed to do so
in this case.
>Or come forward to the Penal Laws . . .
The Penal Laws were passed *against* Catholics you twat.
>Nothing against Ireland or Spain, or England, or Rome; lets merely stick
with the facts of history, yes?
>Having done that, ask yourself how all these Celtic peoples happened to
>have been scattered right around the planet. I mean, go and ask them
A combination of cultural and economic oppression. Religion itself had
very little to do with the matter.
>Or do you suggest they are making it all up just to present themselves
I think that "they", the legions of Celtically-descended people who
supposedly blame Christianity for all their troubles, do not exist. There
is only you and a few people like you, who not at all coincidentally happen
to be neo-pagans (not to be confused with the genuine variety).