At 13:53 15/2/99 Sharon Evans wrote:
>>Whose livelihood? By definition *all* Welsh speakers are bilingual (English)
>>and so can conduct business in English with people inside/outside of Wales
>>if they so choose. Within Wales, the qustion is: why should Welsh speakers,
>>in their own country, be forced to use another language if they would rather
>You tend to use the phrase "by definition" in an inappropriate way (sorry,
I noticed on the message before that said "by definition westerners are
english-speaking") - by definition all Welsh-speakers are 'people who speak
Welsh' (fairly self-explanatory), not 'people who speak Welsh as a second
language' / 'people who speak Welsh and English'. I've encountered at least
one person (in their seventies, admittedly) who spoke only Welsh and no English.
I must admit that my definition of "westerner" was ambigous, to say the
least! I knew what I meant, but rushed a sloppy definition out to the list
instead. However, I still stand by my definition of bilingualism in the
Welsh-speaker context: all Welsh speakers, by definition, *are* bilingual
(at least bilingual) because there are no monoglot Welsh speakers left (the
last died in the mid-70's). The person you met may only speak Welsh (maybe
in principle), but if he were a monoglot Welsh-speaker, with absolutely no
knowledge of English, then I think you should notify the Welsh National
Museum pronto! He maybe Arthur, come back to save us from the Saxon devils.
Hwyl -- Mike.