John Birtwistle wrote:
> A chairde
> Ray has eloquently defended himself from the mean-spirited and totally
> unjustified attacks on his integrity.
With all due respect, I beg to differ.
> I'm writing to say that I, for one, *do* appreciate the huge amount of
> voluntary work which he undertakes in keeping this list going. ...
So do I. I also have a good deal of professional respect for Ray as
well. The same for you. I enjoy reading you.
> I also respect his judgement.
Not all . . .
> In subscribing to a list such as this, you are, in a way, opening your
> front door to anyone who wants to enter.
This is where we part company. I do not feel the same. My front door is
soundly against the jamb. I think participation in a list such as this
is more like going down to the corner tavern, a *public* place where
almost anything might happen - and often does.
> You are entitled to expect certain standards of behaviour. ...
In my home, yes. I would bodily drag you out into the street for
disturbing the harmony of my home. A public place is another matter. We
accept a kind of social contract to expect the unexpected.
> When polite requests don't achieve any moderation in behaviour, you
> have little option but to bar the door.
Again, I beg to differ. Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn said, "We have to
condemn publicly the very idea that some people have the right to
repress others ... When we neither punish nor reproach [them] ...
we are ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new
> Of course, there are obligations. When you post you are entering
> someone else's front door and ought to remember this. . . .
This is why I don't feel this is true. It is much more like a public
place. Like living in a noisy neighborhood in the inner city where
neighbors sometimes stick their heads out the windows to yell at each
other. If you don't like what you hear, pull your head back in.
> Recently I went seriously
> wrong in not realising that language which, here, would be considered
> forceful and robust but not unduly offensive, was too rich for other
> cultures. Now that it has been drawn to my attention, I'll be trying
> not to make the same mistake again in the future. Others have a right to
> expect this.
What incident was this. The complaint from a person or two about the
"F" word? Gimme a break ...
> Keep up the good work, Ray! Your pint is waiting.
Well, we don't have pints, but the same goes for you both.
Bruce L. Jones
The Mojave Desert - The Geographic Center of Nowhere