At 12.57 26/12/98 Sharon H. wrote:
>Why is Wicca more neutral than Pagan? And are you aware that there are
>Actually, Wiccans rarly refer to themselves by their nationality- they
>usually go by tradition- Dianic Wiccan, Gardnerian Wiccan, Eclectic Wiccan,
Exactly! And no-one gets confused about their nationality as a result.
>We've never said any different.
>But you seem a bit confused. By calling ourselves Celtic Pagans, we're
>saying we follow a specific form of Paganism that is called Celtic Paganism
>much like a Russian Orthodox person means that they are following a
>particular form of Orthodox Christianity. We do *not* mean the we're Celts
>who practice Paganism any more than they mean that they're really Russians
>despite being born in the States.
I'm really not confused. I honestly do know what you mean. However, you can
imagine the confusion a lay person would experience when confronted with the
term 'Celtic pagan'. I feel quite confident in predicting that 9 out of 10
people would think that the pagan in question is Celtic - when in fact
they're not. This was my original point: as much as I might respect you and
your belief-system, I just wish you would call it something without the
'Celtic' label in it. If the belief is more important to people than the
label and the image, then I can't see why that should be a problem.
>Actually, you seemed to be trying to say that we couldn't use the word
>Celtic to describe our belief system because it didn't fit with your idea of
>yourself as a Celt.
Not really. I know what I am and nothing can threaten that. I just don't
like the recent phenonema of labelling things "Celtic" when thet're not. I
understand that you're belief has a much stronger connection to the Celts
and Celtic culture than most, and I can also understand that you probably
feel the same way as me in regards to the weirdos out there who claim to
follow some original 'Celtic way'. Again, I just feel the label you give
yourself can be unintentionally misleading. Ultimately, a case of bad-timing
>>I don't though - I just
>>question how someone can instantly become part of the 'race' of the people
>>whose beliefs they follow.
>We aren't claiming to be instantly part of the "race" because of our belief
>system. Why are you assuming that we are?
I'm not assuming *you* (or Danielle) are going around claiming to be a Celt,
and I certainly don't profess to be in some exclusive 'club' because I am
Celtic. However, given your argument in support of a pagan practioner being
able to name themselves as a 'Celtic pagan', then this lends itself to
outsiders believing (wrongly, but understandably) that by inference, such
pagans must also be Celtic.
>I consider myself to be of Celtic heritage because the majority of my
>ancestors came from Ireland, Scotland & Wales. I also consider myself to be
>of German heritage, because some of my ancestors came came from Germany &
>Austria. I am no more a Celt than I am a German (although I feel closer to
>my Celtic roots than my German ones, possibly because the Irish & Scots were
>by far the most recent).
You undoubtedly have Celtic roots, and I firmly believe there is some
unexplainable element involved in being a Celt. I don't know, but maybe this
is what you are in touch with in your spiritual beliefs. Maybe you're a
>>Hwyl -- Mike.
>>Who has just come across some of that plant-life you mentioned before, and
>>so will not be taking part in the rest of today's proceedings! Look forward
>>to reading your response though.
>Well, have fun then.
>who hopes there are no Austrialian police officers on the list :)
Er, why? Is...er, ummm, oh yes!! Is *tobacco* illegal here!? Gulp...you
trying to make me paranoid, or what!?
Hwyl -- Mike.