>One need not be Welsh to understand what it is to be a
>minority in a country.
Absolutely. My point however, was to distinguish between the English
cultural 'perspective' and the Welsh.
>> I will try
>> to give you a brief, albeit generalised example:
>> An Englishperson's (an American's mind-set would be reasonably
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>And so what? What does this say about cultural issues? This is a lot
>more about inferiority complexes than about cultural values and - even
>more - possibilities to live your culture as you want it to.
It has every thing to do with cultural issues when English law prohibts the
native language of Wales to be spoken in circumstances where English is
allowed (ie the courts, places of public administration etc.). How is it
possible to "live your culture" when such prohibitions exist in your own
>this is not about culture, this is about minority politics - and this is
>a completely different matter. Yes, I agree, Celtic Culture should be
>propagated as much as possible, as any minority culture, but not
>exclusivly at the expense of the mayority.
Again, I believe politics and culture cannot be separated. Also, when would
Welsh culture be propagated at the expense of English culture? Any
>It is not inherently good to
>be a member of a minority and not inherently bad to be a member of a
>mayority. This is no question of the mindset of either mayority or
>minority, this is a question of how people with differing opinions can
>coexist. Neither side should do this at the expense of the other, this
>is the point, and solutions that are acceptable to both sides have to be
I'm all for co-existence, and presumably so were my ancestors- not sure
about the ancestors of the English though. However, keeping to the modern
day, the only solution is Welsh independence. Not just my opinion, but the
opinion of significance in Wales today.
>Again, you expect all others to understand your position but do not in
>the slightest care to understand anybody elses position.
Depends on their position Ray. I'll take each argument as it comes. Don't
believe in dogma, and never will.
>Not a good start to find a solution that both sides can live with.
A solution (independence) has been proposed - more to the point, can the
English live with it?
>> So you see, our mind-set can never match the mind-set of the ordinary
>> English or American person (who can afford to be magnaminous about our
>> culture's survival, simply because it's not their culture that's under
>> threat). Furthermore, when we hear academics criticise and undermine our
>> current political struggle as being only something as inane as
>> 'English-bashing', and who then go on to tell us how we should be ever
>> grateful that they are "fond" of our languages... Well, I don't know.
>> I am wasting my breath if such people can't make the necessary 'mental'
>> gear-shift of trying to understand our perspective without becoming all
>> defensive and sensitive.
>Perhaps this criticism is because it is "English-bashing" what you do?
>Did you ever try to see it from a position that is not as limited to
>blaming somebody else as yours is? Nobody undermines your political
>struggle as such, and if one critizises your argumentation then perhaps
>because it is severely flawed. All you have presented us with so far
>shows nothing but historicistic argumentation in its worst form, which
>leads to nothing but bad blood. This is something those "stupid
>scientists" can easily point you to, as we have reasearched such
>phenomena plenty of times, and only when the people start to talk to one
>another, and not withdraw to accusations of guilt, positive results can
>show out. It is important to forgive, as it is important not to forget.
>But, most of all, it is important to argue for the future, not for the
>past. You have, as yet, only done the latter.
Maybe because the past is not as yet markedly different from the 'now' to
want to concentrate on the future (ie, receiving more of the same). You
about 'forgiveness' and 'forgeting', but I don't see anything about
'acceptence' either. Anyway, that's the Welsh for you. How can we ever
forget 'past' wrongs, such as the assasination of our kings and princes,
when we still have an English imposed 'Prince of Wales'. Probably sounds
petty to you, but *really* put yourself in our shoes - does it sound right
to you that all our problems are "in the past"? When was this magical date
when everything became harmonious?
>As I already said, present us with ideas what you think would be fair in
> what you would consider to be "equal rights",
The right to speak our native tongue in all forms of public/private life.
Like the English do.
> and how they can be accieved,
>without turning back to some past wrongs every second
O.k. But what about present wrongs?
>How many percent of MPs should Wales have in a British
>parliament, for example?
A British (read 'English') parliament will never, and has never, worked for
the Welsh (or Scottish).
> Where should Welsh become an official language?
In Wales *and* the European Community.
>What should actually change, and how would it be better?
Self-determination which more than anything is good for 'cultural/national'