I really agree with George and Vanessa Miller. At least these two people
make me view the discussion of AFRIK-IT in a better picture. At frist, I
was so surprised what kind of people using this listserve and why everyone
just let one person be an inappropriate representative of the listserve. It
seems to me that this person always replys and says something rude as if
this person is the owner of the listserve. I am just a new member so I
didn't really know this listserve so much. That is why I feel so much
negative to this listserve. Anyway, I know that many members are nice and
educated. Sorry to say directly but I just want to support Vanessa and
With best regard,
At 04:03 PM 10/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I realize that by entering into this discussion I run the risk of
>prolonging it, so I write this with some reluctance. This is my first
>posting to this list; I've been a lurker for a year or so.
>But I am so repelled by your continued rudeness, Eberhard, that I feel
>compelled to post.
>There is a Gresham's law to lists as there was thought to be in economics
>years ago. It is, simply, "Bad postings drive out good ones." In specific
>terms, every post like yours drives people who have something to say away
>from the list. So keep this up, and there won't be any conversation left,
>and you'll have your bandwidth free and clear, all to your lonely self.
>I monitor this list because I've done field work of moderate duration in
>15+ African countries and I've participated in training programs through
>the Internet Society for hundreds of African networking specialists, some
>of whom are no doubt subscribed to this list. I care that the mechanisms
>that exist, such as this list, are used to provide them with useful
>information and dialogue that will help them and their countries realize
>the benefits of effective Internet deployment and use.
>I think it is presumptuous for anyone, including you, to judge so severely,
>so publicly, and in such a bandwidth-intensive manner, posts to the list
>that are likely to have some bearing on African Internet development. Did
>you stop for a minute to think that just knowledge of the existence of this
>conference might cause someone in Africa to write the organizers, perhaps
>get a URL to papers presented, and thereby make that body of knowledge,
>warts and all, available to the African networking community through this
>list? I doubt that you did.
>And, assuming that Vanessa Miller in fact is a student, you have shown her
>the worst kind of model for students interacting with those with more
>experience. You've displayed sarcasm, crudeness, arrogance and claimed
>superiority based upon age, rather than understanding, counsel and
>education. You owe her an apology.
>There's an old Quaker saying that you should consider adopting. It's:
> "Don't speak unless you can improve upon the quality of silence."
>You have not improved upon it.
>Vice President for Education
>The Internet Society
>At 1:36 PM -0500 10/27/98, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>>In message <[log in to unmask]>, "Vanessa Miller" writes:
>>> You may choose not to publish this message; but, considering the
>>> fact that everyone on this list appears to be quite intelligent, I
>>> have noticed that there are some very rude people on this list (see
>>> response below).
>>I never noticed anyone rude here :-)-O
>>> If you don't like something, make yourself familiar with your delete
>>> options and click.
>>No, that is not the answer for me.
>>In any case why don't you do what you ask from others? Because I am
>>from a developing country and trying to voice that we are fed up with
>>this crap? Nevermind emanciptation or other developmental concepts?
>>> The rudeness demonstrated below is quite unacceptable.
>>Unaccepteable to whom? At your community college they might like
>>Political Correctness, on the Internet you might get away with it, but
>>I ain't interested. (And you might want to read the archives on this)
>>And what rudeness in the first place? The truth? Or the audacity to
>>repeatedly blast my bandwith with this crap?
>>> >>> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <[log in to unmask]> 10/21/98 11:51pm >>>
>>> In message <[log in to unmask]>, Don Richardson
>>> > "Partnerships and Participation in Telecommunications for Rural
>>> > Conference at the University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario Canada: Oct 26
>>> > 1998. See note below for further information...
>>> Why on earth do you think this bloated rubbish is of any relevance to
>>But, it is rubbish.
>>It is bloated.
>>It is of no relevance whatsoever to AFRIK-IT.
>>And I only wanted to know why the author thought the opposite. :-)-O
>>Now I could point out that I have been flaming people since before you
>>could read (you seem to have a generic (=student) account at a
>>Community College putting you at around 20 years or so) but in keeping
>>with my principles why don't you just grow up?
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