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Subject: Re: Announcement: Microsoft and DataChannel Co-Develop Java
From: cchou <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:07:08 -0700

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I admire Mr. St. Laurent's noble ambition and sympathize with the difficulty he
experienced in rallying troops. As a programmer myself when I see an Announcement
such as the subject of our current discussion, I see big sharks with sharp teeth
ready to swallow anyone who dares to jump into this "gigantic" open water. There
may be many unemployed rocket scientists, but none of them want to be "dead"

The problem I see is the lack of proper forum for the project Mr. St. Laurent is
proposing. May be he can make such idea known to people who are out of the reach
of sharks, like the linux folks.


Simon St.Laurent wrote:

> Peter Flynn summed up the state of XML beautifully when he said:
> >MS
> >has some XML embedded in IE4 and 5, but it's not at the stage where you
> >can arbitrarily open *.xml and have it fetch *.css or *.xsl and do
> >something meaningful with it.
> >
> >I'm puzzled. As someone said (on c.t.s?) recently, this is not rocket
> >science; or if it is, there are plenty of unemployed rocket scientists
> >to do the job.
> >
> >But there are obviously still a lot of influential people in the big
> >browser (and other) corporations who are banging on about not needing
> >any of this pointy-bracket parsing and validating crud, what we want is
> >pretty pictures, animations, coloured fonts, and some nifty Javascript
> >and for all this markup rubbish to go away and die. While their advice
> >is still being taken, we will not see anything usable for a while
> >longer.
> There are a lot of days I wish I was a rocket scientist (or even a computer
> scientist) so I could build this stuff.  About a year ago I was proposing a
> simple XML/CSS browser project on the WWWAC list (for NYC Web folk) but
> couldn't find any takers, and I don't have enough programming skills or time
> to do it myself.
> It seems like all the parts needed for a browser are readily available in
> Java, and a lot more parts are available in Mozilla if you want to go that
> route.  It seems like there's a fairly large opening for an XML/CSS browser
> that's wide open and not getting any attention from the major vendors.  I know
> it's not an _easy_ task, but I suspect people might even be willing to _pay_
> for such a thing, at least for a while.  I was hoping that some company would
> take on this project, or that some crazy genius off in a corner would just
> build it, but so far no one's come forward to take advantage of what I see as
> a _gigantic_ opening in the market.
> Waiting for the big vendors is getting XML pretty much nowhere.  I've never
> been know to be patient, but I'm really starting to wonder.
> Anyone?  Anyone?
> Simon St.Laurent
> Dynamic HTML: A Primer / XML: A Primer / Cookies

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