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Date sent: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:39:28 +0300
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From: "Francois H. Villebrod" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Encyclopedia of the Private Sins of Type Designers
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> Dave Nalle revives the theme and gives his comments on this quote :
> > >Andras says:
> > > [...]
> > >That got me thinking about this peculiar aspect of allusive typography.
> > >At what point do you draw the line between the life of the type designer
> > >and the type itself? It's easy to say that the type has little to do with
> > >the way the designer lived his or her life, but wouldn't it still be
> > >ironic and perhaps inappropriate to use a Gill typeface in a publication
> > >opposing incest?]
> > I've never seen the connection between a work of art and the life of the
> > artist. If his bizarre predelections are somehow intwined with his work I
> > certainly can't see it. It seems ridiculous to me that a font you would
> > have used without hesitation prior to knowing the history of the designer
> > should suddenly become tainted once you know that background. It's the
> > same font. What you liked was the way it looked, not where it came from.
> > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Georg Trump served as an officer in
> > >WWII for Nazi Germany. As little as I know about it, I don't think he was
> > >an active Nazi, but simply serving his country, just as he did in World
> > >War I. I could be wrong about this since I have no resources nearby to
> > >look this stuff up.
> > >
> > >Anyway, I love Trump's types. But would it still be inappropriate to use
> > >a Trump typeface in a publication detailing the plight of Jews in the
> > >Holocaust?
> > Assuming he was an anti-semite, using his work to glorify judaism would
> > seem an appropriate irony. Of course, lots of German officers were not
> > Nazis or anti-semitic.
> Since we are all sinners, I think one should stop using all typefaces
> right away, unless they have been designed by duly registered Saints.
> But what do I say?! Even Saints have sinned!
> Sure Dave, who can ever think of eliminating or concealing works of art
> from the Human Heritage if not an enemy of artistic expression? Such
> actions would be just as bad as the Nazi auto-da-fe.
> As long as there is no perceptual allusion to incest, anti-Semitic
> violence or else in the works themselves, I see no wrong with these
> In France we still live under Napoleonic law; when motoring in Germany
> everyone including Jewish people uses motorways built by Hitler; the
> U.S. founded their space program on the experience of ex-Nazi
> scientists; all this happened because no one with a healthy mind ever
> thought of blasting away whatever positive had been left in the debacle.
> Why should works of art be treated differently. I often listen to a
> superb interpretation of Carl Orf's Carmina Burana and I think that
> Gill Sans is a beautiful typeface, that doesn't turn me into a Nazi
> supporter nor into an incestuous mind.
> Who can decide what these works were meant to express in their creators'
> souls, perhaps contrition about their acts, perhaps elevation above the
> daily sordid aspect of their lives, perhaps a way to escape the
> political oppression from within, or perhaps a different sense of
> Perhaps their work was their Schindler's list!
> Certainly life is often ironic and because of this no one should judge
> or disfavour art according to the private feats of its authors, unless
> it is the art itself that clearly evocates some unlawful sin.
> Francois H. Villebrod
> type designer