In message <[log in to unmask]>, Nemo Semret writes:
> > As one example of many look at http://gatekeeper.ugraf.com/unix-nt
> > there are four fascinating evaluations of Unix vs NT.
> Um... El, weren't you arguing just a few weeks ago that the web is
> useless and that everything should by done by email and ftp?
Me? I said nothing of the kind.
I said it is useless to do any *WORK* on it. And I said that people
using electronic networking in developing countries for their *WORK*
use email and FTP predominantly.
I challenged you to show me a site that was actually helpful to a
medical professional or a nurse. This has not been forthcoming.
But as exmh has such a nice search function (using glimpse) here is my
complete message again:
In message <[log in to unmask]>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse writes:
> In message <[log in to unmask]>, Nemo Semret writes:
> > Perhaps you're not finding your resources on the web because you
> > have a prejudice against the web.
> Now how did you come up with this one?
> Again, I have been doing this since 1982, since 1990 in this
> country. I am an advisor to two popular medical web sites in my fields
> of interest (anesthetics and obstetrics).
> I have changed my medical practice through the Internet, but so far
> it's been exclusively through mailing lists, abstract services and
> personal contacts.
> I have found some very important stuff on Web sites, but it was all
> available on FTP sites that I had been pointed to. The odd nugget is
> just not worth the time on line to search for it. (Remember I sit in
> Africa, 400 km from the next bigger city)
> > As of 1998, almost any piece of human knowledge has probably been
> > put on the web by someone somehwere (note the "almost").
> So, where is it?
> > Let me take an example from your profession (since evidently you
> > weren't convinced by the one from mine).
> > I can diagnose myself by typing in symptoms as key words in a search
> > engine.
> Why don't you send me the URL of such a clever engine?
> > Of course, I must excercise judgement to sift out the junk
> > information (but you learn how to do that after a few weeks of
> > surfing), and of course any treatement should be given by a
> > qualified doctor (lest you think I am threatening your livelihood
> > ;),
> Don't you worry about competing, I am a civil servant :-)-O
> > but the web gives every person the equivalent of every handbook,
> > almanac whatever, that people could have on their family bookshelf
> > to help them care for themselves.
> > I would say this is pretty valuable where there are few doctors.
> Nope. Where there are few doctors there are few resources...
> > Maybe a village nurse could use it.
> Well, if she had the funds, telephone, electricity, a computer, modem,
> computer literacy, English, and the time she might actually try this
> once. However, my village nurses read their treatment manual and if
> that doesn't cover it to their satisfaction they phone me.
> Trust me on this one, medicine on the web is not at all a good
> > Why do you want to decide who needs what?
> I'm not deciding anything.
> I am giving an opinion (based on personal experience) on where to put
> donor funding. This money, your tax money, is supposed to *HELP* the
> needy, not pamper an urban elite.
> > > If there is a demand, there will be a supplier.
> > I absolutely agree. Let the users ask for whatever they think they
> > need, and let the providers provide. Users will naturally make the
> > choice of service that optimizes within their budget.
> I thought about competition after posting my previous message, I
> should have raised this. It's very important to have more than one
> provider. Lowers the prices, improves the service and disposition of
> the hot line staff :-)-O, and so on.
In fact I had you in my todo folder so I don't forget to needle you
about this, but this takes care of it :-)-O
> Change of heart?
No, not at all.
> Welcome to the 1990s.
Isn't that almost 8 years late?
> The current thread shows that everyone (including you) knows that
> shortage of bandwidth is not a reason to not use http, it is simply
> a factor in designing the content.
No, it does not show this. And what I KNOW, is that the opposite is
I have the personal (and sometimes painful) experience of having
connected this country to the Internet via a 9600 line at first and
later over a nominal 28800 line. And Henry Watermeyer tickled me about
this today if you didn't notice.
The very modem is sitting on my desktop (more for historic then
technical reasons) showing 24000 at present but retraining down to
4800 some times.
Yes, I have a leased line :-)-O, and I still can find almost no useful
stuff for WORK, and very little for fun.
PS: Maybe you really should go home for three months and see how it
looks over there.