I need to quit fooling around and get some work done, but one last post.
Jeremiah Morley <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>I found this at http://cavern.uark.edu/studorg/stpa/aine.html
> CELTIC MYTHOLOGY
> * * * * * * *
> With the Goddess Aine we wander into the realms of the unfettered
> of Femininity. The Goddess Aine was one of the female deities that
> suffered from repression at the hands of the Christian monks.
Is it any wonder that my eyes bug out when reading psuedo-nonsense like
this? No offense to you, Jeremiah, who merely offered what you could
find, but the below is a mixture of New Age stuff, conjecture, and
As long as stuff like this is out there, things Celtic will continue to
be popular amongst a certain crowd, but is this what will help out the
culture? I did not comment on Neil's posting earlier regarding a Celtic
Backlash, but if you ask me, as long as this sort of thing is passed off,
then the Celtic cultures will continue to be pillaged for mythological
elements with little or no attempt to understand the culture as a whole,
much less to help the culture propitatie itself.
Some accounts give her as
> daughter of Manannan Mac Llyr, God of the hidden paths in the realms
> the western ocean, while others say that she was no other than the
> Morrigu herself. In my personal opinion the latter fits easiest in
> instinctive feeling.
"Some accounts". Nice generality.
> We can see Aine in triple aspect in the powers attributed to her.
> Firstly as the Maiden in her ability to reward her devotees with the
> gift of poetry or with unfortunate madness. There is a stone that
> belonged to Aine high on her mountain, Cnoc Aine, which could bestow
> either poetry to the worthy or madness to those she rejected. Also,
> was said that all the mad dogs in Ireland would congregate around
> stone. It is not hard with her connection with poetry and hounds to
> her Maiden aspects to be those of the Goddess Bride, who in the form
> a Maiden was the muse of poetry and had the name Cu Gorm (grey
> Next, as a Mother deity Aine is associated with lakes and wells with
> great powers of healing. Tobar-Na-Aine (Well of Aine) was credited
> life-restoring powers
A mixture of place name conjectures, possibly dubious local traditions
and legends. Of course, I don't see any reference made to actual texts.
. Also, in the Irish legends we find in her son
> Earl an archetype of Lancelot in the later Arthurian legends, while
> herself is the Lady of the Lake.
Fah! Absolute nonsense!
. The attribute of Aine which
> her a great enemy of the early Church was undoubtedly her sexuality.
> ever a Goddess was depicted as the Arch Rival of the institute of
> matrimony then it was surely Aine, whose promiscuity and freedom of
> spirit could not be encompassed by man, thus a threat to the self
> of chastity of these womanless monks.
Well, let's see--Irish clerics were known to marry with no problem for
many centuries--not until the English invasion did they cease doing so.
Also, there was no "institute of marriage" in terms of marriage being a
sacrement until the the Council of Trent. Prior to this, Canon Law did
get fairly involved, but in terms of the Contintental Roman/pagan
conceptualization of marriage as a contract..
It can also
> seen where Graham Stoker drew some of his ideas from on the nature
> vampires. He wrote his book Count Dracula
Wasn't that Abraham (Bram) Stoker?
Once again, Jeremiah, this is not directed at you, but at the kind of
stuff which is continually churned out under the guise of Celtic
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