I must have struck a nerve there, wot?
In message <[log in to unmask]>, Jonathan R Metzger writes:
> I've been reading your insults for years now. I'm even one of the
> honored MANY who's been flamed.
Well, then I think you probably deserved it.
> We've never met, but, I've got to think you lead one miserable life.
Au contraire mon ami, I am doing very well, enjoying myself, getting
countries on the Internet, delivering babies, taking my kids to the
beach (El Nino does wonders to the Benguela stream) when I am not on
call for a change.
If you ever came around (not likely, we don't have a 5 star hotel in
my town), please make a turn, I make a mean barbecue.
> Heaping insults left and right.
Insults? Never, not a single one! Quote me!
> Everyone I've talked with thinks so,
Maybe you should be talking to people who actually have to live here
and not come here to make 1000$US per day, running away the day after
having finished messing us up.
> and a colleague who returned from Namibia not too long ago reported
> they don't like you either.
Ah well, who was that Flag Planter then? One of the many who told you
they brought the Internet to Namibia's natives?
> Social pariah is the polite word.
Actually, it's not the correct word, my social life is quite ok.
> Asshole is what comes to mind.
Do they teach you this choice of words in graduate school?
> Sure, you're aren't out to win a popularity contest. Perhaps you
> think you are helping, but, you have done more to set back
> networking than anyone I know.
Well that could be because you don't know many or the right people.
But then you would probably have a PhD in Development or African
Namibia has around 1.5MBps international IP connectivity through three
ISPs and another MB is about to happen. Namibia has local dialup in
several peripheral towns, more are coming. Namibia has generated
significant local expertise (Unix, Routing and DNS in particular) in
fact enough to assist other countries. Namibia has been and is doing
all this without outside funding.
This of course with help from many people and institutions but not the
World Bank, USAID, or Messrs Hawkins & Cochrane. In fact the only
World Bank grant that I am aware off (or so obsessed about) has had
the opposite effect, the government network is still not set up.
> People shouldn't be censored from listserv's, but, I think we should
> take a vote. If people agree, you should volunteer to get off.
Get a life.
Fortunately the charter of these lists allow for freedom of
expression, even if you don't like it.
Why don't you use your delete button or put procmail to some use, you
could also enter me into your sendmail SPAM filter.
> If not, sign me off this damn thing.
It has been nice knowing you, bye bye now.
> When you start bashing Hawkins one minute and then Cochrane the
> next, this shouldn't be tolerated.
You should at least get your facts straight, I have *NOT* started
"bashing Hawkins one minute and Cochrane the next", I have been
bashing Mr Cochrane for *YEARS* now. (Actually I'd call it I have been
critizing his and his employer's work in the networking field for
years). And now he is even implying I'm right. But this probably why
you are so upset, eh?
And with regards to Hawkins, I have been bashing him for a year now,
since he styled himself in a magazine article as having connected
Mozambique singlehandedly and personally, which is almost opposite of
When he allocated 155000$US to a consultancy belonging to the local
World Bank (MIGA) advisor here in Namibia (I'd love to see their final
report) I gave him the benefit of the doubt...
> Both gentlemen are fine people. Doing good work.
Fine people they may well be, I have never said otherwise, but good
work? You obviously have *NO* idea.
> Something tells me that stethoscope of yours hasn't been sunlight
> for awhile - why don't you pull it out and practice some bedside
I can't really follow your grammar here, but then English is not my
first language, I can however assure you that my stethoscope is being
used very intensively. But then what would you ever know what a
District Hospital in Africa is like.
> Of course, after slapping you publically, ala Lisse, I'm off
> to Tanzania.
Enjoy the Daressalam Hilton. BTW, slapping me? ala Lisse? I am having
a hernia from ROFLOL.
> Ironically, I'll be delayed in reading some juicy retort but I'm
> more interested in hearing from others on the list than what you
> have to say.
That's the nice thing about a democracy, everyone can be interested in
what he wants. And since Tanzania is so well connected, why don't you
go and read you email from there?
> We've heard it all too often.
Is this the pluralis majestatis?
Come to think about it, quite astonishing actually, even after reading
your note three times I can not find that you say, what I am writing
is actually (or factually) wrong.
> Jonathan Metzger
> I should add, the comments are mine alone and not that of my employers
BTW, I enjoy a good flame as much as the next person, so I personally
feel after haveing put the list on notice we should perhaps conserve
bandwith and insult each other in private and maybe later pust a
summary to the list. However I should point out that you overstepped
the mark somewhat with the stethoscope bit...
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