Michael Babcock wrote:
> I actually like helvetica extended in metal quite a bit and in fact
> at this point my press letterhead is printed in 30sf Helv XB ext.
> I have made a bit of an investment in the XBE. I have it in 66, 54, 42, 30sf
> 14, and 12pt. Need to fill those gaps. I also have a smattering of reg. & reg. ext. as well.
> It's simply not the same face as the homoginized electronic version digit-heads are used to seeing as a resident font. (Nor is the poor
> bastardized version of Palatino. I have done a side-by-side of 54pt Palatino
> with +/- 54pt. digital and people are startled at how shitty the digital
> looks. Zapf's hand has been crushed out of it.)
That's very interesting. I think I'm going to bump up "Counterpunch"
(by Fred Smeijers) to my next-in-line-for-reading book.
It's a shame to hear that about Palatino. I guess that's the rule
as opposed to the exception when it comes to conversion from metal
type to bezier curves. It sounds analogous to something like
translating poetry, which I think is inherently impossible.
I would love to see metal type of Palatino and Helvetica, or
anything, for that matter!
The Helveticas I loathe are the digital ones that everybody uses,
> Truly, any criticism of pre-digital faces can only be levied when one has examined them in their most true and original form. I don't know who Bill Troop is and I don't disagree with the statement attributed to him. Every
> design has an appropriate use. Helvetica ought not to be mistaken for a
> "graceful" design.
I couldn't criticize pre-digital faces, since I've rarely even seen
one... Bill Troop is a type columnist for Publish (I think...)
magazine. It makes him sound "homogenized", but his articles are a
pleasure: he definitely sounds like "one of us": way too obsessed
> Why is it that Helvetica has such a bad rep?
Although I don't beleive there are formulas for guaging and/or
ensuring "appealing" type design, I've heard technical arguments
that make sense in terms of Helvetica's shortcomings: one of them
refers to inter-letter vs. intra-letter white space.
Part of its bad rep surely stems from its over-use, which is
To me, [digital] Helvetica just reeks.
hrant h papazian