On Thu, 1 May 1997 00:18:44 PST James J Cain <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>><snips galore> >On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:22:20 -0700 "Troy O'Fallon"
>><[log in to unmask]> writes:
>>>hahaha...Hey Bruce....I'm a trouble maker too....but that was a very
>>>good point you made.
>>>What if we (Caucasians) were the slaves and the Blacks
>>just a discription. I left a black friend in stunned silence once when
>>I pointed out: "the black community has given the whites a great
>>weapon of heretofore unheard of power. I can reduce a black person to
>>a raving maniac by uttering a single word." He never though of it that
>>way before. If you refuse to "wear" the insult it ceases to be an
>The only problem with this is that once we get so inured to a term that
>we refuse to "wear" it and the insult ceases to be an insult...we tend
>to forget how it feels to be culturally dissed. I'm not going to write
>a letter to the editor like someone did locally here recently
>objecting to the use of the term paddywagon. But I also
>don't intend to forget that that is a lingering remnant of our time in
I agree. I never suggested we - or they - forget; even if we could. But
it is injurious and unproductive to let it take control of you.
>And, while some dictionaries give the etymology of that
>word as being a result of so many Irish policemen operating those
>vans, the truth is, they were so named because they were supposedly
>needed to haul away all the drunken, brawling Paddies. And even if
>the bowdlerized dictionary was right, they are still calling the Irish
Yes, and "Seamus" is still synonamous with "detective".
> We shouldn't forget these things...don't dwell on
>them...maybe...yeah, don't eliminate Paddywagon from the
>language...it's good for us to remember that not too long ago we were
>getting kicked in the teeth. Might make us pause. I also won't have
>anything to do with the Notre Dame "mascot", which is a Disneyized
>version of some of the most viciously bigoted cartoons ever
>run...the ones of the Irish in the English magazine PUNCH in the 19th
Yes, sad, isn't it?
>I've been telling people for years that, as I recall, only two ships
>made it all the way around Scotland and Ireland to land safely in, I
>believe, Galway. I don't know how long they stayed there, but those
>two crews would have had to have suffered from satyriasis and done
>nothin' but the horizontal mambo...and what does that say about the
>Irish women????...for the time they were docked. I don't think so, Tim.
Exactly. It takes a fairly large influx of a different ethnic
characteristic to appreciably affect succeeding generations. For example,
a single mating with a "dark" Spaniard (not all are dark you know) is
genetically diluted to almost nothing in about six generations. In order
to sustain the characteristic for any length of time at all there must be
continued genetic influence from more than one branch of the family.
Bruce L. Jones
The Mojave Desert - The Geographic Center of Nowhere