On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:17:14 -0400 Tiarna Mac I/ <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>In a message dated 29/04/97 01:36:38, you write:
><< Thank you for editing my post! Like I said, the swastika was a
> invention and became moist popular during wwii. I dont not off hand
> the names for the symbol facing the proper direction but I do now it
> swastika. >>
>No! Not German... INdo-European...
>Common to all European and Indian peoples... and many more elsewhere
>The sunsymbol should face one way, and I believe that the Nazi version
>deliberately not 'sunwise' in direction. I may be wrong. It comes in
>2, 3 and
>4 pronged forms - you see it in the spirals on the kerbstones at
>Knowth in Ireland, in the flag of the Isle of Man, on Celtic cross
>all sorts of places.
>The actual word swastika is derived through some early form of German,
>though, if I remember rightly... from swaes (or similar) = curved or
>bent + a
>root word for stick:
>ie swaes + stik (or similar root words) = bent stick = swastika
>the pattern can be found in Indian art and commonly as part of the
>on the bases of Celtic crosses, in the Book of Kells, on several Irish
>Christian artefact shrines: book shrines & the like (silver, usually,
>for holding precious books, artefacts of saints - fingers, bones, arms
>the pattern is all over the place. The Nazi regime in Germany stole
>that was partly the property of German heritage, but was also a
>symbol in India, among Celts, in North America, in South America...
>gonna claim that the people of central America for example are pure
>Germanic. Often people adopt a symbol that has a strong psychological
>for their own purposes - the swastika is a classic example.
>we can draw similar parallels for knotwork designs too - the earliest
>of a knot pattern that I know of comes from what is now Zimbabwe & is
>several tens of thousands of years BCE. Not exactly within the
>Celtic time or geographical frame yet most of us would have assumed it
>at first sight. It does look VERY Celtic...
>There are lots of books about Celtic design & many give parallels to
>styles elsewhere in the world. There are several by a Scottish guy
>think George) Bain, and also his son (they are in a box somewhere in
>house & as it's just gone 3 am I am not inclined to risk awakening the
>house looking). I'm sure that others have the details...
>These and similar books can provide you with lots of examples of such
>and give you suggestions as to other sources for designs. It's a big
>interesting world... let's not go throwing it away by assigning labels
>they are not needed. (NOT a flame, but an encouragement to discover &
>who hopes you all have enough sense to get some sleep tonight...
>of us. ;-)
So...someone else stays up into the wee smalls doing this. Yes, it is
George Bain. I don't know about books, but I do have a book of his of
Celtic design, or as Mr. Bain puts it, Pictish design. I'm sure it's
"Celtic Art - The Methods and Construction"