On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Marc Morales wrote:
> At 02:00 PM 2/21/96 -0500, Raghnall Toma/s O/g O/ Cearbhaill wrote:
> >On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Marc Morales wrote:
> >> >Do you care to give reasons for your argument, Marc? Mark did...
> >> >
> >> >Raghnall
> >> >
> >> >
> >> As a matter of fact, Raghnall, I didn't think I needed reasons to argue that
> >> Continental Europe may be as Celtic as The Isles when we consider the Matter
> >> of Britain.
> >> I may be wrong but I have felt a tendancy on this list to consider Celtic
> >> only what came from Ireland, Wales or Scotland. That is not the case even
> >> though the most vivid vestiges we have concerning the Celts often come from
> >> Ireland.
> >> Do you consider my reasons displayed enough, Raghnall?
> >> I can develop if you wish.
> >> Marc
> >So then, "Gaul," after having been conquered, settled and ruled by Romans
> >and Franks for centuries, and after the Gaulish language had been long
> >extinct, retained enough of its Celtic flavor that anything produced in
> >France, even by men of Germanic origin, should be considered Celtic? Please
> >develop this, and tell us
> >whether or not you also consider literature from modern "Galatia" to be
> I didn't claim that *anything* produced in France should be considered Celtic.
> I only wish that people keep in mind that not only The British Isles can be
> considered as Celtic.
> Allow me to say that I do think that a Celtic substrat remained in France
> even after the Roman Conquest, etc..
> But... if you prefer to think that only Ireland, Scotland and Wales are
> truly Celtic...well who am I to try and change that.
> I only find it sectarian and sad when some of us are involved in Celtic
> Unity or Pan-Celtic Gathering.
> What is Mark point of view about that?
> Marc Morales
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> Dia Dhuit uile
> A wolf can act but like a wolf
I'm sorry. I must have missed part of this argument. Here is what I
1. Mark argued that Lancelot is not a Celtic creation.
2. You said that Lancelot is a Celtic creation, whether Mark wants to
believe it or not.
3. I asked why you say that Lancelot is a Celtic creation; I have no
strong thoughts either way, as I know too little about the topic.
4. You replied "I didn't think I needed reasons to argue that
Continental Europe may be as Celtic as the Isles when we consider The
Matter of Britain."
5. As it is my understanding that this work was produced in the second
millenium of this era, I asked how the products of contemporary French
aristocratic culture could still be considered Celtic.
I am confused by your reply to this, and I presume that it is my own
fault. I've missed something in the argument, or have perhaps
misinterpreted something. At any rate, please reorient me.
As for Pan-Celtic Gathering, I fully support it as encompassed by
Pan-Human Gathering. The various Celtic cultures are not threatened by a
lack of Celtic unity, but rather by the general lack of concern for other
cultures that permeates most of our world.
(who dreams of a day when the concept of individuality becomes reality)