At 10:12 AM 31/1/96, Menghestab Haile wrote:
>I have been following the interesting discussion between Jeff and Dr. Lisse.
>On one side we have Dr Lisse who has managed to do things in his own way with ou
>t relying on external funding, on the other side we have Jeff preparing projects
>that could be funded by donors.
Neither of us, by the way, is a computer scientist :-)-O
>It is easy for Dr Lisse to criticise Jeff's attempt but I think it is important
Don't get me wrong, I was not critizising Jeff or downgrading his work,
I like lively debate :-)-O
Indeed it is important because it itemizes things you want to think of before
you do it. It is also important because it starts from a wrong assumption, that
free enterprise is the way, always. USAID is of course entitled to help emerging
businesses, we'd like to tap into that too by the way :-)-O, but the fact remains
that none of the commercial Internet efforts outside of South Africa are viable
and it is highly debatable if they will be.
What is downright annoying is that those commercial ISPs will of course not go
into the rural, deprived areas.
>that we ask how many Dr lisses are around Africa. I think very few. BTW, how
>much would Dr Lisse's fee be if he was to be paid as a consultant for the work he
>has done? I tell you a lot. He is doing the work not for financial reward.
Don't tell them all my secrets :-)-O
>In general many African initiatives will require funding from donors if they are
>to take off the ground. It is therefore important that sustainable projects are
>selected and funded. Jeff's first stab at preparing such a proposal is recommend
>able. He is not suggesting his proposal is the best but will serve as a basis for
Indeed. I will only accept that our Namibian model is not transferrable if
I see one or two serious attempts fail.
The selection of projects however should be mean that *EXISTING* initiatives
be supported. The locals must *WANT* the net, before you can do anything
which will work longer than 3 months after your outside funding runs out
or the expert leaves.
>discussion. I can see Dr Lisse's frustration but that is the way it is as long
>as WE depend on hand outs from the WEST.
Frustration? Not really. Satisfaction, really :-)-O.
By the way, I suspect, that sooner or later some deep rural areas in the US
will also look at how we do things in Africa. These areas are not supported by
the big ISPs because the numbers don't add either.
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