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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 22:57:55 +0200 (IST)
From: joseph seckbach <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Manley's request for opinions on censorship
I agree, Mike does a good job, he is the "father" of our algal
list. Please let him run our show because he does a productive service.
> Let me just say KEEP ON MIKE.
> You are diung a great job.
> >Bravo! Steve Manley has done a nice job of clarifying the issues and
> >raising questions that can be discussed calmly and productively.
> >Elma Gonzalez
> >[log in to unmask]
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> >From: psa
> >To: Multiple recipients of list
> >Subject: Re: Manley's request for opinions on censorship
> >Date: Wednesday, November 08, 1995 4:35PM
> >On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, F. Neumann wrote:
> >> I feel this is not really a question of freedom of speech. The
> >> owner/moderator of an internet discussion list (Mike Guiry in this
> >> case) puts in quite a bit of time, effort, and resources to keep the
> >> list going. He's not paid for it, and he doesn't get any academic
> >> recognition for his trouble. I think we should respect his editorial
> >> policy. If we don't like it, we can always sign off, can't we?
> >You have missed the point completely.
> >Mike Guiry has provided us with a valuable service and he has the
> >privilege to set policy. As a subscriber, I accept his right to set
> >policy and will honor his policy; I do not have to agree with it just
> >because I subscribe! In my opinion his policy stifles free and open
> >discussion. A listserv is not a scientific journal and a certain amount
> >of informality should be tolerated.
> >Let's review what Mike wrote: "A policy statement is necessary. If you
> >have a difference of opinion with the a particular piece of published
> >work, please address you comments to the authors directly or submit a
> >critique of the paper to the original journal, in this instance
> >PHYCOLOGIA. The authors of this paper were, unfortunately, not contacted
> >prior to this posting." Then he went on to say that subjects initially
> >brought up on ALGAE-L could be freely discussed.
> >Does Mike have the right to establish policy thusly? As owner of the
> >list, of course. Might there not have been a better way? That is, or
> >might be, a topic of discussion.
> >Some comment on the ALGAE-L policy:
> >1. IF one contacts the authors of a paper first, and the reply is not
> >satisfactory, what does one do?
> >2. IF there is no reply, can a person then go to ALGAE-L?
> >3. Is Dr. Guiry going to check with each primary author before posting
> >Further comments:
> >If a person were to write a critique of a paper for Phycologia,
> >European Journal of Phycology or Journal of Phycology would it be
> >published? We can't tell. But certainly the track record, the paucity
> >of comments published in these journals and/or the absence of letters to the
> >editor and/or the lack of editorial comments, might not give a person much
> >hope that the critique would ever appear in print. Have some experienced
> >frustration in attempting to communicate with authors, or in attempting
> >to get critiques published?
> >************ Can we encourage more dialogue? *****************
> >" So many new ideas are at first strange and horrible though ultimately
> >valuable that a very heavy responsibility rests upon those who would
> >prevent their dissemination" - J. Haldane
> > ---------------------------------------
> >Steven L. Manley, [log in to unmask]
> >Dept. of Biol. Sci., Calif. St. Univ.
> >Long Beach, Ca USA 90840-4806
> >310-985-1568; FAX 310-985-8878
> Avigad Vonshak
> Algal Biotechnology
> J. Blaustein Institute for Desert Research
> Ben Gurion University
> Sede Boqer campus 84990
> Telephone: 7-565825; Facsimile: 7-570198;
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