On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 18:29:54 +0100, David Stifter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>I am less sceptical about the derivation of these words from corb "chariot" now. It's probably the best solution we have at the moment.
Thanks David, hmmm, best, but maybe not good? The main negative indicator I have is the name's earliest context, which appears as a poet, perhaps a satirist in particular. And he occurs as the son of Ogma (god of eloquence) and Etain(poet) and dies at Nectain's well(source of fis, poetry). Chariots don't occur in any of his stories, and really don't feature in the earliest stories of the TDD, the only one I can think of offhand is the horses and chariots that Brian and his brothers have to bring back to Lugh as part of the fine for killing his father. However this story of Brian stands on its own, and seems to be associated with the labours of Hercules, so its hard to really tie down just how old each item of the fine really is.
So Corpre the poet of the TDD is first seen in a lovely little picture where Bres greets him by leaving him in a tiny cold cell without food or drink to speak of, in return for which treatment Corpre creates the first satire which leaves blemishes on Bres' face and sets him up for all sorts of failures.
Later Corpre dies of a shaft of pure sunlight at Nectain's well, the source of all poetry.
The second picture of Corpre is just wonderful, we are now before the last battle of the TDD with the Fir Bolg and Lugh is asking each of his chief men of the TDD what they will contribute to the coming battle. And I'll repeat it here, just cause its a great picture, but also to show just how far from the picture of a 'chariot' we are.
Then Lugh asked Carpre, the poet, son of Etain, what could he do. "It is not hard to say," saud Carpre. "I will make a satire on them at sunrise, and the wind from the north, and I on a hill-top and my back to a thorn-tree, and a stone and a thorn in my hand. And with that satire," he said, "I will put shame on them and enchantment, the way they will not be able to stand against fighting men."
But there are other instances of this 'corb' occurring - in much the same context, as a poet. For example, Conn Cetcathach goes to the top of Tara each sunrise to watch over his kingdom, with his 3 druids, and his 3 poets, Ethain, Corb, and Cesarn. So my impression is that we should be looking for this 'corb' word within some sort of poetic context. Does that trigger any idea from any of the word-smiths here?