On 4/06/2015 12:10 AM, Tom Smith wrote:
> In the Appendix to 'A Primer of Irish Metrics' (1909), Kuno Meyer gives a list of
> Irish poets which include "Eochaidh eiges ua Cleirechain". Meyer in a footnote
> states this poet is 'Eocho rigeices (m. Oengusa m. Dallain m. Dubthaig m.
> Miannaig m. Lugdach) qui hospitatus apud Daimine qui sepultus est in Domnuch
> Culind (LL. 3300.) In RC. 20, 42 Eochaid rig-eces is said to have been
> contemporary with Dallan Forgaill, while according to YBL. p. 135 they were
The footnote is odd, alright. The Eochaidh of Meyer's list is called éiges,
not ríg-éces, and his grandfather is Cléirchán, not Dallán. So the only
match is the common name Eochaidh. This is so odd that I wonder whether the
footnote was intended instead for the previous entry in Meyer's list:
'Eochaidh Dallán, see Dallán Forgaill'.
> [...] Eochaidh eiges ua Cleirechain [...] lived in the 11th century.
That seems to clinch it.
> Furthermore the genealogy given in LL. 3300 'Eocho rigeices m. Oengusa m.
> Dallain m. Dubthaig m. Miannaig m. Lugdach' would also seem to be incorrect or
> at least is missing his immediate ancestors as [...] Lugaid Lorc [...] was
> King of Ulster in the mid-fifth century, i.e. 150 years before the floruit of Eocho
Applying the standard period of 33 years between generations, that would
give us approximate dates as follows:
Lugaid Lorc 450, Miannach 483, Dubthach 516, Dallán 549, Óengus 582, Eochu
In Scéla Mongán, Eochaid Rígéces is a contemporary of Mongán, who died in
625. So there does not appear to be any reason on that account to assume
'missing' generations in Eochaid's pedigree.
> Furthermore Eochu was a guest of Daimhin Damhairgitr (qui hospitatus
> apud Daimine) who died in 560 A.D. according to the Annals of the Four
Similar dates (565, 566) are given for Daimíne's death in the earlier
annals. Again, supplying extra generations for Eochaid's pedigree would
make his visit to Daimíne even less likely.