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UCD-STAFFORDBEER November 2012

Subject:

Re: U.S. Demands to Assassinate Assange (Real News)

From:

John Waters <[log in to unmask]>

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Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:00:09 +0000

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On 29/11/12 18:45, Nick Green wrote:

> You saw this? “Assange Ill, May Seek Safe Passage to Hospital”
>
> http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=145576
>
> Terrible and pathetic to see the least trustworthy
> (whose jobs depend on secrecy) appealing to a lynch
> mob mentality. As scientists we constantly cajole
> nature to give up her secrets. When will we learn we
> need to do this in our society as well.

Very well put, Nick.  Thanks.

John (:





>
> Best
>
> N.
>
> From: Russell C
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:54 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: U.S. Demands to Assassinate Assange (Real News)
>
> This may be of some interest as well.
>
>
> John Pilger addresses 'Media and War' conference at Goldsmith's
College, University of London, 17 November 2012
>
> http://johnpilger.com/videos/media-and-war-challenging-the-consensus
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Russell C <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Barry,
>
> I hope it is just hysteria -- but I suspect something deeper at work.
>
> Assange has a publishing function/role as potentially powerful as
Rupert Murdoch et al -- but he (Assange) is not in, or under, the
control of those social/cultural forces that keep the likes of Rupert
under 'control' and the public out of control.
>
> Being outside the USA media system I find these type of video
images/voices rather puzzling. We all have our domestic media/propaganda
systems at work -- but do people in the USA actually see the core issues
at play?
>
> I mean, it almost seems like a civil war is emerging between
'suppression-ists' and 'open-ists' (to coin two meaningless words). I
guess the interesting issue is whether the trends are towards one way or
the other in the emerging generations.
>
> This one was also a surprise to me: " the "Electronic Robin Hood".
He's a 28-year-old man. He's currently in federal prison here in New
York. His name is Jeremy Hammond. "
>
>
>
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=9139
>
>
> Russell
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:38 AM, BARRY A CLEMSON
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Russell,
>
> Lots of hysteria about Wikileaks ... my own opinion is that Assange is
a hero who has done nothing qualitatively different than major
newspapers have done. Assange just did more of it and caused
corresponding more upset among the powers that be.
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Russell C wrote:
>
>
> Democracy @ Work?
>
>
>
http://therealnews.com/t2/component/hwdvideoshare/?task=viewvideo&video_id=75088
>
> Are these the voices and faces of a system of democratic openness and
transparency, or of a publishing control system?
>
> It appears the issue is the 'system' leaks -- not that people in the
system are doing wrong in the first place and some others in those same
systems who witness these acts are using the technology to make this
known at a public level.
>
> Believe it or not.
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> ==================================
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