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Subject: Re: Root for bantuathaid?
From: "Counihan M.J." <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Scholars and students of Old Irish <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:31:40 +0000

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It's interesting that Thurneysen (p. 162) has "cliu do" with the same meaning of left/north.

Martin Counihan

From: Old-Irish-L [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Neil McLeod [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 05 March 2012 21:18
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Subject: Re: [OLD-IRISH-L] Root for bantuathaid?

On 6/03/2012 4:47 AM, SUBSCRIBE OLD-IRISH-L Anonymous wrote:

> I've come across the word "bantuathaid" (female witch) and it's listed in three
> entries on eDIL, however the entry for "t˙athaid" lists "t˙ath" as the root word.

Yes, that is correct. The root means 'north, left' with the standard
connotations of 'left' with 'sinister'. (The English word 'sinister' itself
comes from the Latin word for 'left'.)

> My research partners and I were wondering if the root
> for "bantuathaid" is "t˙ath"


or "t˙aithbel / t˙athal"?

No. T˙ath-bel itself contains the root 't˙ath', but the sense of turning
belongs to -bel not to t˙ath. The name T˙athal is unrelated. It comes from
a distinct root 't˙ath' meaning 'territory, people of a kingdom'.

> We have a theory that if the
> root is "t˙athal" that would then lend "bantuathaid" a definition or at least
> connotation of "turning woman" or "curse-worker" since moving "deiseal" brings
> good luck and "t˙athal" casts ill-luck.

I'm afraid that is impossible. It means 'female evil-doer'. (The ending
-(a)id is an agentival suffix.)


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