Cathy, I subscribe to once you get one "Ailbe" saint in a family, you
tend to get a lot more further down the line. Everybody wants to
connect up to the famous one in the family. In my family we do
I also subscribe to any one celibate and poor saint [[descended, of
course, from a rich king] MAY use more than one name as he establishes
new churches in order to keep his "virginity" and poverty pure.
I also know that the scribes often mixed-up the various saints of the
same name and got their stories, and dates, all confused, although one
can often straighten them out, or most of them out.
I also know the church hid, or tried to hide, many juicy details from
us about the saints, a lot of which can be reconstructed putting the
various stories together.
Would anyone know what the real old Irish word may have been for
"Beggery" [Island]? Maybe something like Beg Gearagh? Has me stumped.
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Catherine Swift
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> This is Ailbe bishop of Emly in Munster ? Quite clear in the Salamenticensis life which is where the verse turns up. To be honest - I don't really pay much attention to saintly dates - the record in the annals is so erratic and the determination to shove everybody into the 5th/6th C seems to me to be a later phenomenon. What do you think? †One of the fascinating things about being in an institution with a strong theology department is that you learn that official Catholicism has some very concrete (and blood early!) dates for Irish saints - I drive them all mad by piping up with queries over lunch. Its a question of the distance from the actual historical sources I think.
> Where do you stand on the ” Riain argument that one name generally means one saint and wandering cults rather than multiple saints ? I have difficulties with it I have to confess - its like saying all Michaels are inevitable psychopumps. (I love that word!) Of course, I work with 6 Catherines and 9 Marys so that may be fueling my scepticism.