This is very interesting to me because I would like to know more about the Uí Luascain, a group which was once very prominent and is sometimes pinned to Fergus Luascain (various spellings), notionally a son of Cathair Mor; but they are also sometimes given an eponymous ancestor Loiscenn or Loscend who was a son of Cas. The Uí Luascain seem to have fallen into disrepute at some point in time, being deprived of their position in the east-coast Laginian hierarchy. Anyway, what did their name mean?
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Sent: 23 January 2012 06:00
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Subject: Re: [OLD-IRISH-L] the Irish frog
Just for fun, I did a CELT search for 'loiscend' (frog) with various spellings.
I found a few things. Looks like a compound of 'los' ("end, butt, foot, point of
a staff, stick, etc....stem of a drinking horn...tail..") and 'cenn' (head). Liz
1. From 'The Voyage of the Hui Corra' (CELT says 11th century)
'Rochonnac tra cetre srotha an ifirn .i. sruth loiscenn & sruth naithrech & sruth teneadh & sruth snechta.' (My translation -- he saw then the four streams of hell, that is, a stream of frogs and a stream of snakes and a stream of fire and a stream of snow.)
2. From Togail na Tebe (Celt dates it 15th century) "Conid immi sin darigni Ulcan in set sirbhuan sonashercach sin re silliud sechtair fair co nemib nathrach, co lingur loiscend, co salchar slama tened & saignen, co mongaib dubglasa duaibsecha dracon, co leccaib lasamna loiscthecha ar medon and."
I wonder if the phrase "co nemib nathrach, co lingur loiscend, co salchar slama", which has 5 syllables in each part and alliteration, was taken from a poem. The sentence is loaded with alliteration.
3. It shows up in a list of animals (mostly animals not found in Ireland) in Cath Catharda (CELT gives a date range of 900 to 1200) -
'Cidh fil ann tra acht cach anmanna isin domun uile doneoch ercoitiges do duine, eter leoman & mathgaman & loiscenn & tigir & viper & colubir & nathir neimide arcena, '
4. Two people with the name 'Loiscenn' show up in genealogies in Rawlinson B502.