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UCD-STAFFORDBEER  November 2011

UCD-STAFFORDBEER November 2011

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Re: From quarry to call centre .... a workers' paradise?

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Jan Kuiper <[log in to unmask]>

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A Worker's paradise.... Well, in the eighties I worked with a trade 
union and I was involved in the design of a container-terminal with 
AGV's and ASC's. The Terminal became an example for later terminals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoPYMCmYEy8&feature=related 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoPYMCmYEy8&feature=related>
The trade uninon (I) was asked to think about aspects of safety and 
quality of labour (work-cycles, shifts, screen-work, etc.). These AGV's 
used a grid to drive on and mechanical sensors for emergency-stops. My 
cybernetic knowledge in those days was limited to systemic thinking from 
De Sitter and In 't Veld, but they did us good in designing the 
organisation of work on this terminal.
IN a way it became a worker's paradise: most of the labourers sit high 
and dry and safe. The terminal is fully automatic from the point where 
the Crane driver puts the container in the buffer underneath his/her 
crane untill the container is stacked on a lorry that pulls it out of 
the terminal. But the terminal requires allmost no traditional 
harbourworkers anymore ofcourse.... (bad for the membership of 
trade-unions also).

Russell's post aroused these memories in me. So why not share....

cheers,
jan

*Jan Kuiper*

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Op 2-11-2011 15:46, russell_c schreef:
> Hi Trevor
>
> You make a good point.
>
> To be honest I'm not sure what the point of the driver-less trucks is 
> for the company.
>
> I assumed safety and cost etc. Productivity perhaps.
>
> I assume that once a skilled operator has mastered one machine then 
> they could monitor 2 or 3 using semi-automatic software etc. The dump 
> trucks simply drive up and down a mine incline all day.
>
> I heard that in early trials they were so accurate on GPS that they 
> started to wear tracks in the road by following the exact same path 
> and the software had to be modified to randomise the pathways a little 
> to stop problem and spread the wear and tare on the roads etc.
>
> They can probably even operate at 3:00am in the morning! This was 
> called /New Holland/ once you know.
>
> I certainly don't think the mining industry has any agenda regarding 
> cashed up bogans etc -- that basically IS the mining industry! 
> Although I guess to be fair a few do master engineering and sometimes 
> manage to be tad more harmonious with civilized society.   ;-)p
>
> I suspect this WA R&D is their development training ground and that 
> down the track a small close group of skilled operators within the 
> multi national company network will run these things around the world 
> 24x7x365 without the need to hand over control of huge equipment to 
> local 'indigenous' peoples. Here it is marginal benefit I assume -- 
> but what about the central highlands of Papua New Guinea? Same 
> operators, different place. I always thought they had a 'mining Mars' 
> mind set and that (or the moon for Helium 3) is probably the long term 
> goal. 
> http://www.eastfieldnews.com/2.6688/mining-the-moon-1.974765#.TrFWfXJ5fpw
>
> Perhaps Barry can see how the few skilled (and chosen) could equally 
> be in the USA with their lowering wages -- which may well be the final 
> aim.
>
> I did not want too make too much of it -- I just thought that robotics 
> was developing into interesting 'niches' and that the type of safety 
> 'stop' systems to avoid human casualties (i.e. some type of GPS 
> sensing device) could equally be applied to the evil bloody drones 
> that the US and others are developing which (in spite of the actual 
> intentions) are killing many innocent civilians -- usually women and 
> children.
>
> It would not take too much maths to work out that identity bracelets 
> worn by registered civilians are in the explosion zone of a loaded 
> drone before they pull the trigger. Then the the jerk in their New 
> Jersey lounge room could pause for a minute, take a slug of pepsi, a 
> few crisps, and think before assassinating innocent women and children 
> while the ads are on tv.
>
> Same technology as protecting mine workers in an automated mine.  It's 
> called feedback!
>
> Anyway, enough of ranting .... I'll also post on the other thread my 
> question: "So, is the answer to your 'change' question a 'yes' or 'no'?
>
> regards
> Russell
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Trevor E Hilder <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Russell,
>
>     Aren't you missing the point here? Surely the point of the
>     driverless trucks is that they will make the "cashed up bogans"
>     redundant? They will have to find somewhere more backward to
>     support their lifestyle by driving big trucks.
>
>     Regards,
>       Trevor
>
>     On 2 Nov 2011, at 07:32, russell_c <[log in to unmask]
>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>>     Ok, I'm on a roll, so why not ...
>>     Move over cybersyn ... yes, the military may have been droning
>>     along for years but this looks like the start of a whole new
>>     level of specialised work-from-home for the 'console generation'.
>>     Coming to a quarry (&/or call centre) near you ...?
>>     Currently, what are locally referred to as 'cashed up bogans',
>>     usually with more tattoos than a NZ All Black (and that is just
>>     the female version) are earning in the order of $200k+ p.a. (in a
>>     few weeks-on -- weeks-off, fly-in fly-out schedule) driving large
>>     trucks up and down open cut mine pits etc.
>>     See image of Rio Tinto's mining operations centre.
>>     It won't be long before they can do the shift from their 5-Star
>>     Bali R&R resort base full time (saves the flight back after the
>>     break in paradise).
>>
>>
>>             More driverless trucks for Rio Tinto
>>
>>         Rio Tinto has significantly boosted its plans for driverless
>>         trucks at its Western Australian mines, increasing its order
>>         from 10 trucks to 150.
>>
>>         Rio Tinto said it would receive at least 150 of the
>>         driverless trucks over four years from 2012 under a new
>>         agreement signed with Japanese mining and construction
>>         equipment manufacturer Komatsu.
>>
>>         The trucks will be used in Rio Tinto's Pilbara iron ore
>>         mines, and controlled from its operations centre in Perth,
>>         over 1,500 kilometres away.
>>
>>         The trucks use GPS technology to navigate autonomously around
>>         a pre-defined course from loading units to dump locations,
>>         including waste dumps, stockpiles and crushers.
>>
>>         The new deal is a 15-fold expansion on Rio Tinto's previous
>>         plan for a fleet to 10 driverless trucks, which is part of
>>         its "Mine of the Future" program launched in 2008.
>>
>>         "These technologies are revolutionising the way large-scale
>>         mining is done, creating attractive hi-tech jobs, and helping
>>         us to improve safety and environmental performance and reduce
>>         carbon emissions," chief executive Tom Albanese said in a
>>         statement.
>>
>>         Rio Tinto has been testing the autonomous haulage system in
>>         the Pilbara since 2008.
>>
>>         http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/article/More-driverless-trucks-for-Rio-Tinto
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