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UCD-STAFFORDBEER  August 2011

UCD-STAFFORDBEER August 2011

Subject:

Re: ten page reflections of Harrison Owen posted

From:

Stuart Umpleby <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 28 Aug 2011 09:55:04 -0400

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On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Roger Harnden <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> A nicely written, evocataive and clear paper, Stuart.
>
> As you say, there are overlaps wiith syntegration. Given their contemporaneous emergence in the mid/late 1980's, it's probably fair to say that both syntegration and OSP emerged on the back of non-equilibroum thermodynamics, chaos, autopoiesis, self-organisation, and both evidence the early impact of reflexivity.

Dear Roger,  There were three conferences on self-organizing systems
around 1960.  There were two key papers:
Ashby, Principles of the Self-Organizing System
von Foerster, Self-Organizing Systems and their Environments
These two papers are not usually referred to, but in my opinion they
state the basic ideas of self-organization and emergence more
generally and more elegantly than the later work of the 1980s.
Reflexivity came later, mid 1970s (HVF) and 1980s (Lefebvre, Soros).

> Is there an equivalent to the iterative 'outcome resolve' of syntegration?

I assume that would be the commitment to a common purpose.
Best, Stuart

> Roger
>
> On 2011-08-28, at 5:47 AM, Stuart Umpleby wrote:
>
>> http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/08/harrison-owen-august-morning-reflection-invitation/
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Stuart Umpleby <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> This paper describes Open Space Technology.  I think it can be viewed
>>> as an alternative to syntegration.  I would be interested in comments
>>> on the two.  For a brief description of OST, see pp. 6-7.  Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Robert Steele <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 4:11 PM
>>> Subject: ten page reflections of Harrison own posted
>>> To: Harrison Owen <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harrison Owen: August Morning Reflection & Invitation…
>>>
>>> This [ten-page] paper started as a note to myself as I sought to
>>> explore the disparity between my home here in Maine, the forest, lake,
>>> and loons…and the rushing maelstrom of the world about me that showed
>>> up in the instant on my computer screen.
>>>
>>> Call it anxiety adjustment, therapy, or just an attempt to make some
>>> sense out of thing.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it should have remained in that personal, private compartment,
>>> but I also felt the need to share, and so I have.  You have to decide
>>> the wisdom of that decision.
>>>
>>> Ho.
>>>
>>> Harrison
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stuart Umpleby, Research Program in Social and Organizational Learning
>>> 2033 K Street NW, Suite 230, The George Washington University,
>>> Washington, DC 20052
>>> www.gwu.edu/~umpleby, tel. 202-994-1642, fax 202-994-4411
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Stuart Umpleby, Research Program in Social and Organizational Learning
>> 2033 K Street NW, Suite 230, The George Washington University,
>> Washington, DC 20052
>> www.gwu.edu/~umpleby, tel. 202-994-1642, fax 202-994-4411
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-- 
Stuart Umpleby, Research Program in Social and Organizational Learning
2033 K Street NW, Suite 230, The George Washington University,
Washington, DC 20052
www.gwu.edu/~umpleby, tel. 202-994-1642, fax 202-994-4411

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