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Subject:

'Samhoin so' 1-5

From:

lenore fischer <[log in to unmask]>

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Scholars and students of Old Irish <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:22:32 +0100

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Subject: Re: 'Samhoin so' 1-5
> > > > > 1. Samhoin so, sodham go Tadg/ tar Echtge na n-ard 's na n-āth
> > > >  tar Ard Soghain, tar Magh Maoin,/ tar Druim nDaoil is tar Druim
> Rāth.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Tar Sruth Dā  Loilghech na ndrūadh/ tar Caille na Slūag re seal
> > > > ō Leith Mogha go Leith Cuinn,/ cūairt ō Luimnech go Druim nDen)
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Tar Dūn Urscātha na n-arm/ tar an carn ‘gar thuit an triār,
> > > > > tar Dūn ac Loduin go moch,/ lāim re gach loch go Loch Rīach.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4.Trīallam isin tīr bot[h]ūaidh/ ō fēin glūair d’ibh Caisil Cuirc
> > > > > ō Brīan as dīon da gach droing/ ō Chenn choradh, ō chloinn Luirc.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. Nī tre diomdha ar clandaib Tāil/ dar lāimh Brīain na ccloidemh
> > slim
> > > > > fodero damh dul bot[h]ūaid,/ acht grādh Taidhg leis nāch fūath
> sind.
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >  > 1. This Samhain I set out towards Tadg
> > > > >  Across Slieve Aughty of heights and fords
> > > > >  Across Ard Sogain, across Magh Maon
> > > > >  Across Drum Daoil and Drum Ráth
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Across Sruth Dá Loilgech of the wizards
> > > > >  across Caille na Sluag for a spell
> > > > >  From Leith Mogha to Leith Cuinn
> > > > >  a circuit from Limerick to Druim Den
> > > > >
> >  3. Past Dun Urscatha of arms
> > past the cairn where the trio fell [how about ‘toppled’ for
> alliteration?]
> > early on past Lodun fort
> > Along every lake to Lochrea.
> >          [In connection with the ‘cairn where the trio fell’ it is
> perhaps
> > pertinent to note that in one of the dindshenchas sections of the Book of
> > Leinster (dated to ca. 1166 on the basis of a note in the margin
> recording
> > the landing of the Anglo-Normans) there is a poem labelled ‘Mac Liac
> > cecinit’ called ‘Carn Conaill’ which is about the burial of some heroes
> > under a cairn, though it doesn’t seem to be a trio at all. Oengus and his
> > son Conall from over the sea demand land of Ailill and Medb,
> > and Conall receives Aidne, which as far as I can make out refers to the
> > Slieve Aughty area we’re talking about in our ‘*Samhoin so*’ poem.  Taxes
> > are imposed on them, a fight breaks out, Conall, his dad and two other
> > champions are killed here, and Conall and his father are buried under the
> > cairn. Seems like either two or four, so either this is a different
> cairn,
> > or else our *Samhoin so* poet is bending the text for literary purposes.
> >           [Hogan tells us a lot more about Cairn Conaill by the way,
> saying
> > there was a battle fought there in 645, and that it is
> > now called Ballyconnell near Gort in the Diocese of Kilmacduagh.
> >       [Also, while we’re at it, I might mention that in the Yellow Book
> of
> > Lecan (1390s) there is a prose piece about Mac Liag, which O Lochlainn
> > publishes in translated form for us in his second ‘Poets on the Battle of
> > Clontarf’ article, *Eigse* 1944, p. 43. ‘He  [MacLiag] would often go
> from
> > Loughrea southward across Slieve Aughty to Limerick’ it says, ‘carrying
> with
> > him twelve bottles and suitable victuals thereto. For there are twelve
> > points of view in Slieve Aughty, and he used to drink a bottle at each of
> > them.  Once upon a time they went southwards and sat them down on a
> certain
> > hill named Cend Crochain.’  We eventually meet someone who ‘will tell ...
> > the story of every notable place here in Slieve Aughty.’  In the poem
> that
> > follows , ‘*Áibind, áibind, Echtge ard*’, there are simply masses of
> place
> > names, all said to belong to Slieve Aughty.  They begin
> > by explaining the origin of Echtge or Aughty itself, and go on
> > then straight to Cend Crochain on which they sit.  Our few place names
> don’t
> > seem to come into it too much, though there is a Loch na Druad and also
> > a gentleman named Lodan, a sort of founding father.  Lugaid Lam-derg
> > figures elsewhere in it as well.  Anyone interested will find the poem
> > and translation in Gwynn’s *Metrical Dindshenchas*, Part III pp 305-13.
>  My
> > point about mentioning all this is that by the late fourteenth century
> Mac
> > Liag was being credited with just such a journey as this poem starts off
> > with, and also with just the kind of lore and interests expressed in
> these
> > first stanzas.]
> > > >
> > > > >  4. I journey into the northern land [or into the beautiful land?]
> > > > > from the bright warrior progeny of Corc of Cashel [this line is too
> > > > > long,how about ‘army’ or just plain ‘fianna’?]
> > > > > from Brian, protector of all people,
> > > > > from Kincora, from the race of Lorc.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. It is not unhappiness with Táil’s race
> > > > > [I swear] by the hand of Brian of the smooth swords!
> > > > > that makes me go northwards
> > > > > But love of Tadg, who hates us not.
> > > > >
> This makes my sixth time trying to send this, I keep having to cut it down.
>  I know it is partly because I'm so prolix with my comments, but up to now
> I've been too taken up with the translating to say much about the text.

Lenore

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