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UCD-STAFFORDBEER  March 2010

UCD-STAFFORDBEER March 2010

Subject:

Re: BBC iPlayer - A Brief History of Double Entry Book-keeping Episode 1

From:

Doug McDavid <[log in to unmask]>

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Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:18:21 -0800

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On that point, Trevor, and apropos WoW, etc., it is interesting to see
the results of the following Google search: "financial crisis"
"islamic banking"

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:03 AM, Trevor E Hilder <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Joe,
> On 14 Mar 2010, at 20:15, Joseph Truss wrote:
>
> Thanks for this Trevor.  I would never have looked at this myself on the
> basis of the title but due to your recommendation I did and found it worth
> the look. The provenance of double entry as an 'accounting' to God,
> community and self never occurred to me as I thought it was a business
> invention.
>
> [TEH] Actually, I was surprised when I heard that, because it contradicts
> everything I thought I knew about the subject. When you get to part 5, you
> will find other scholars disagreeing with that perspective, which seems to
> me to be much more typical of Protestantism than pious Roman Catholicism.
> There is plenty of evidence that the great Italian merchants were not
> "pious" Roman Catholics. If they were, it would be hard to explain, for
> example, why Cosimo Medici spent a fortune on hunting down copies of rare
> manuscripts that were believed to pre-date the Jewish scriptures and were
> therefore believed to be closer to the truth than they were. Medici founded
> the Platonic Academy, which was at the heart of the Italian Renaissance, but
> considered to be very close to outright heresy. The Academy's "chairman"
> was Marsilio Ficino, who embarked on the work of translating the works of
> Plato into Latin, then dropped everything to translate the Hermetic texts
> when a copy was finally tracked down. All of the classical works that
> inspired the Italian Renaissance had been lost to the West and were
> preserved and developed mostly by Arab scholars in the Sufi tradition.
> It puzzles me how much historical statements from respectable sources
> continue to be coloured by a denial of the influence of the Islamic world on
> medieval Europe. This radio series so far (up to part 5) has completely
> failed to mention the connection between double-entry book-keeping and the
> use of Arabic numerals to do the arithmetic. Fibonacci introduced Arabic
> numerals to Europe in about 1200, having learned mathematics from Arabic
> scholars, whom he contacted because he was running a trading post in what is
> now Algeria.
> Pacioli wrote up double-entry book-keeping as part of a philosophical
> treatise, since it was considered to be a branch of philosophy at the time.
> He taught arithmetic to Leonardo da Vinci, who illustrated his treatise on
> the geometrical solids by doing the engravings for the book. I have read
> that Pacioli stated that double-entry book-keeping was invented by the
> Arabs, but I'm not sure what the authority for that is.
> These activities were considered deeply suspect by pious Christians, who
> considered doing arithmetic with Arabic numerals as a branch of magic!
> It also annoyed me that Jonathan Dimbleby, in his TV series, Seven Ages of
> Britain, claimed that the Temple Church in London is round because it is
> modelled on the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. This is nonsense,
> since that church isn't round. The Temple Church is round, because it is
> modelled on the Dome of the Rock, the Moslem building on the site of
> Solomon's Temple, which is the location which gave the Knight's Templar
> their name, and to which they were dedicated.
> The fact that such inaccurate statements are still considered "facts" just
> shows how much we are still subject to pernicious propaganda left over from
> the ideological struggle between Christianity and Islam, which has lasted a
> thousand years, but should have finished when the Ottoman Empire finally
> collapsed in the 1920s.
> A more accurate portrayal of the cultural connections that unite us, rather
> than  divide us, can be found in Idries Shah's The Sufis.
>
> The life of a small brain in the midst of a big mind-field like Metaphorum
> is not an easy one as it is constantly challenged with new information, and
> thankfully, spice is the variety of life…
> Thanks for the spice…
> Cheers,
> Joe
>
> Joseph Truss
> Team Syntegrity International AG/ Metaphorum / Abbey North Drummers
>
> ________________________________
> From: Trevor E Hilder <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 3:34:04 PM
> Subject: Re: BBC iPlayer - A Brief History of Double Entry Book-keeping
> Episode 1
>
> Dear Roger,
> Sorry - that's what comes of emailing from an iPhone - it went to the mobile
> version of the web site.
> The correct link is here.
> On 14 Mar 2010, at 16:09, Roger Harnden wrote:
>
> The link doesn't work.
>
> What is the programe, Trevor?
>
> Roger
> On 14 Mar 2010, at 16:02, Trevor E Hilder wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> This BBC Radio 4 series is a lot more interesting than you might expect:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile/iplayer/episode/b00r401p
>
> Episode 1 expires at 16:00 tomorrow, so catch it while you can.
>
> Regards,
>
> Trevor
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