Again, I have a reaction from the Am Indian side: For many Indian people, as widely different in material and intellectual culture as the Navajo and the Lakota, the sun is very central. Domicile doors open towards the rising sun and the four directions are referenced constantly in even casual matters. But I know of not a single instance of a horizontal circle made anti-clockwise signifies something bad. (A backwards motion of the sun's passage overhead, yes, but nor around in a circle.) This is not much evidence, of course, but the similar lack of evidence in Irish fits the bigger pattern. Perhaps if we knew of some culture very far north, where the sun really did seem as if it were gong more in a circle than an overhead loop, we might get comparative clue. But I'm ignorant of any such culture.
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Some knowledge of modern Irish folklore (or Manx folklore, or Scottish
folklore, for all I know) would probably be needed to understand the
nature of that insult. List SEANCHAS-L, jointly "ownerd" by Liz Gabay
and myself, was set up to explore such matters, but I have not the time
to go into that - enough that I have two collections of folklore to my
name already! - nor does it seem that Liz has the time either, ot the
inclination at the moment, but any subscriber to that list is entitled
to lead on such matters.
Scríobh Huntsman, Jeffrey F.:
> ... You know that circling an enemy with a chariot in an anti-clockwise manner is a great insult. I have read that this might somehow be connected with the prominence of ancient sun worshipping practices, since this motion is consider "against the sun". (Although exactly why this should be considered an insult is very obscure.)...