On Fr, 28.08.2009, 22:12, Huntsman, Jeffrey F. wrote:
> Obviously, I wrote my longish reply to an earlier msg before reading this.
> I see we are in agreement--always gratifying, of course-
Indeed. I only realised too late that I had misunderstood your initial
posting and that we were more or less arguing the same position. I had
thought that you were denying the existence of two-wheeled vehicles as a
whole, but actually you were only referring to the so-called war chariot -
a concept that I am also not willing to accept for Ireland. BTW, regarding
the opposition of "chariot" vs. "war chariot", I want to point out a
terminiological dilemma that we have in German (and which is one of the
reasons why I prefer to write about the matter in English): whereas Engl.
"chariot" has no inherently (i.e. etymologically) military associations,
the German word for chariot is "Streitwagen", which literally means
"fight-wagon". So it comes about as a contradictio in se when I try to
make the point in German that the Irish "Streitwagen" was not used to
fight, but was a wholly civilian, ie..e non-military implement.
Nevertheless, there remains a small point where I disagree with you: I
don't think that the literary depictions in Irish literature of chariots
being used by champions have anything to do with remains of a past memory.
I think that on the one hand they may be realistic motifs describing how
Irish upper-class warriors went to fights in their carpait; on the other
hand, in those few passages where fighting from chariots is described, I
think we have clear indications that these may be due to literary imports
from the classical tradition (going back to depictions of Near
> I will look forward to reading this when it appears.
I am afraid my book will take many more years... I am very much occupied
with other business now.